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Posted: March 26, 2006 08:08 pm
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Hello Victor, I have not seen yet a hallmark of G. Lemaitre, but I talked to a collector/ specialist and he said to me, that the all the medals made by this person are extremely beautiful, specially Order Michael the Brave.I olso have seeen Order of the Crown and olso the Star of Romania made by Lemaitre.

G. Lemaitre it is a legend.


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Posted: March 26, 2006 09:14 pm
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QUOTE (Ahile @ Mar 26 2006, 09:08 PM)
Hello Victor, I have not seen yet a hallmark of G. Lemaitre, but I talked to a collector/ specialist and he said to me, that the all the medals made by this person are extremely beautiful, specially Order Michael the Brave.I olso have seeen Order of the Crown and olso the Star of Romania made by Lemaitre.

If Lemaitre's hallmark was not on any of the badges studied by you, how are you so certain that the particular badge posted by Crusader has it?
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Posted: March 26, 2006 09:54 pm
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I did not said that the medal, posted by Crusader has a hallmark of Lemaitre, I don't know if it is an original made by him.There are a lot of Lemaitre cases in this world. maybe someone put the Michael the Brave medal in a Lemaitre case.

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Posted: March 26, 2006 10:05 pm
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QUOTE (Ahile @ Mar 26 2006, 10:54 PM)
I did not said that the medal, posted by Crusader has a hallmark of Lemaitre, I don't know if it is an original made by him.

Then how must one read the statement you made yesterday morning?

QUOTE (Ahile @ Mar 25 2006, 10:16 AM)
Nice, but on the ring or somewhere else it is marked by G. LEmaitre.
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Posted: March 27, 2006 08:37 am
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To know if a medal is made by a jewerler, then you must have that medal in your hand to study it very well.If you have a case with the by G.Lemaitre name on it, it doesen't mean that the medal that is in the box it is made by him.

Like in joseph Resch case, there are a lot of other medals put in cases made by Joseph Resch.


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Posted: March 27, 2006 06:45 pm
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QUOTE (Ahile @ Mar 27 2006, 09:37 AM)
To know if a medal is made by a jewerler, then you must have that medal in your hand to study it very well.If you have a case with the by G.Lemaitre name on it, it doesen't mean that the medal that is in the box it is made by him.

Like in joseph Resch case, there are a lot of other medals put in cases made by Joseph Resch.

Nothing new here. But what does this have to do with your previous statement that the very medal posted by Crusader is marked "on the ring or somewhere else" (these were your very words)?
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Sorry for my proposition.But it was a question, about if the medal has a mark of G. Lemaitre?


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Posted: March 27, 2006 07:47 pm
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QUOTE (Ahile @ Mar 27 2006, 07:51 PM)
Sorry for my proposition.But it was a question, about if the medal has a mark of G. Lemaitre?

I see. Well, the fullstop made me take it as a plain statement, so never mind my original question.
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Posted: March 27, 2006 08:28 pm
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I am not happy about all the discussion here - I thought that you are interested in some pictures of the order and so I made the post. But now I think it was better not to do so because of all the questions.
I could only say the following:
First: The order was sell some weeks ago, so there is no possibility to see for a hallmark of lemaitre ot someone else.
Second: The dealer who sells this order was ok, and he got this order by an serious ollector of romanian awards for a lot of years.
Third: Yes, I am not an collector for romanian awrds in the last years, I collect more other european awards, so I am not sure that this is really an award by lemaitre - but I trust the dealer who said this to me.
This is my statement.

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QUOTE (crusader @ Mar 27 2006, 09:28 PM)
I am not happy about all the discussion here - I  thought that you are interested in some pictures of the order and so I made the post. But now I think it was better not to do so because of all the questions.

I am sorry Crusader that our discussion has made you unhappy. I can speak only for myself and I may say that this was not at all my intention as I have found your images quite interesting.

In the light of the thread on the Hallmarks of Kretly and Lemaitre I also became interested in Ahile's original statement (or so I thought until he acknowledged that it was in fact only a question) about the marks on the badge posted by you and wanted to find out more. I did not mean to cast a shadow of doubt upon the authenticity of the badge or the honesty of your dealer.
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Posted: March 28, 2006 05:31 pm
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QUOTE (crusader @ Mar 27 2006, 08:28 PM)
I am not happy about all the discussion here - I thought that you are interested in some pictures of the order and so I made the post. But now I think it was better not to do so because of all the questions.
I could only say the following:
First: The order was sell some weeks ago, so there is no possibility to see for a hallmark of lemaitre ot someone else.
Second: The dealer who sells this order was ok, and he got this order by an serious ollector of romanian awards for a lot of years.
Third: Yes, I am not an collector for romanian awrds in the last years, I collect more other european awards, so I am not sure that this is really an award by lemaitre - but I trust the dealer who said this to me.
This is my statement.

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Hi crusader,
i am collecting since very long time romanian orders and medals and , belive me,in this period i have NEVER seen an 3rd class Michael the Brave Order that had some hallmarks! There are some pieces from the 1941 model made in silver for VIP's but they have been awarded in a box with the first and second class together(Hermann Göring for example!)! Regarding Le Maitre i have never seen an Michael the Brave made by him! This kind of cases were very frequent to that time.

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Posted: March 28, 2006 06:14 pm
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Hi crusader,
i am collecting since very long time romanian orders and medals and , belive me,in this period i have NEVER seen an 3rd class Michael the Brave Order that had some hallmarks!


Third class in silver with Weiss marks:

http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=2991&st=15

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Posted: March 28, 2006 06:20 pm
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QUOTE (Cuza @ Mar 28 2006, 06:14 PM)
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Hi crusader,
i am collecting since very long time romanian orders and medals and , belive me,in this period i have NEVER seen an 3rd class Michael the Brave Order that had some hallmarks!


Third class in silver with Weiss marks:

http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=2991&st=15

This kind of order has NEVER been awarded!!!!!! It is a probe!
The decree sais that the metal used for this order must be BRONZE!!!
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Posted: March 28, 2006 06:30 pm
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This kind of order has NEVER been awarded!!!!!! It is a probe!
The decree sais that the metal used for this order must be BRONZE!!!

What do you mean by "probe". Many Romanian ODM were manufactured in silver and gold, with and without diamonds, irrespective of the designation of the decree, and given on special occasions, to those close to the monarchy and to foreign heads of state.

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Posted: March 28, 2006 07:00 pm
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I consider a probe all MV orders model 1938 (1916 with swords! )
You have right, many romanian orders were made in gold and silver but in this topic we are talking only about the MV order!
I repeat : there are some MV-s model1941 made in silver awarded in small numbers to foreign VIP's
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