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Cuza
Posted: December 18, 2005 01:21 pm
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The French court jewelers of A. Kretly and G. Lemaitre both
manufactured early Romanian orders. Does anyone know
what marks were identified with these jewelers?
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Carol I
Posted: December 18, 2005 05:01 pm
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On the back of the stars made by Krètly I have seen the following text in an oval mark:

Nº46
KRÈTLY
PALAIS-ROYAL
PARIS
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Posted: December 19, 2005 05:07 pm
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QUOTE (Carol I @ Dec 18 2005, 11:01 AM)
On the back of the stars made by Krètly I have seen the following text in an oval mark:

Nº46
KRÈTLY
PALAIS-ROYAL
PARIS

That is their original place of manufacture. I was hoping to find out if they have a "letter" or "symbol" type of mark. Thanks for the information.
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Carol I
Posted: December 19, 2005 06:41 pm
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QUOTE (Cuza @ Dec 19 2005, 06:07 PM)
I was hoping to find out if they have a "letter" or "symbol" type of mark.

I have seen one Krètly badge, but I did not notice any hallmark.
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Carol I
Posted: December 19, 2005 08:03 pm
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I know that G. Lemaitre of Paris was a manufacturer of Romanian orders during the reign of King Ferdinand. Did he manufacture early Romanian orders as well?
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Posted: December 20, 2005 01:29 pm
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QUOTE (Carol I @ Dec 19 2005, 02:03 PM)
I know that G. Lemaitre of Paris was a manufacturer of Romanian orders during the reign of King Ferdinand. Did he manufacture early Romanian orders as well?

According to Jacob Court Jewelers of the World, Lemaitre was founded in 1843 and made insignia for many countries until it was taken over by Bertrand in 1927.
I believe that there were earlier Carol I era pieces, some of which were smaller in size than normal. No authority for this belief, just personal observation and opinion.
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Posted: December 20, 2005 05:00 pm
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QUOTE (Cuza @ Dec 20 2005, 02:29 PM)
According to Jacob Court Jewelers of the World, Lemaitre was founded in 1843 and made insignia for many countries until it was taken over by Bertrand in 1927.
I believe that there were earlier Carol I era pieces, some of which were smaller in size than normal.  No authority for this belief, just personal observation and opinion.

Do you have any images of these "unusual" badges?
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Posted: December 20, 2005 05:32 pm
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QUOTE (Carol I @ Dec 20 2005, 11:00 AM)
QUOTE (Cuza @ Dec 20 2005, 02:29 PM)
According to Jacob Court Jewelers of the World, Lemaitre was founded in 1843 and made insignia for many countries until it was taken over by Bertrand in 1927.
I believe that there were earlier Carol I era pieces, some of which were smaller in size than normal.  No authority for this belief, just personal observation and opinion.

Do you have any images of these "unusual" badges?

I am negotiating on a Crown set and if I get it, I will post pictures.
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Posted: December 20, 2005 10:21 pm
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QUOTE (Cuza @ Dec 20 2005, 06:32 PM)
I am negotiating on a Crown set and if I get it, I will post pictures.

Thanks.
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Posted: December 21, 2005 04:17 pm
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I asked a collector who has seen many orders about the hallmarks. He said that, apart from the text on the back of the stars mentioned by CarolI, the only other hallmarks that he noticed on these French-made orders are the French hallmarks for silver. One of them is a "Minerva" head.
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Posted: May 07, 2006 08:10 am
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QUOTE (Cuza @ Dec 20 2005, 06:32 PM)
I am negotiating on a Crown set and if I get it, I will post pictures.

Did you eventually obtain this set?
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Posted: May 07, 2006 02:40 pm
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QUOTE (Carol I @ May 7 2006, 02:10 AM)
QUOTE (Cuza @ Dec 20 2005, 06:32 PM)
I am negotiating on a Crown set and if I get it, I will post pictures.

Did you eventually obtain this set?
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Posted: May 07, 2006 02:45 pm
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Hallmarks on crown set. They are almost impossible to read-I scanned them at 1200 dpi and tried to adjust contrast and light to highlight. Maybe someone with French hallmark knowledge can help. My best guess is Lemaitre, but the marks could be Bertrand or Kretly.

(IMG:http://img281.imageshack.us/img281/2802/marks10ar.jpg)
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Posted: May 07, 2006 02:51 pm
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QUOTE (Cuza @ May 7 2006, 03:40 PM)
QUOTE (Carol I @ May 7 2006, 02:10 AM)
QUOTE (Cuza @ Dec 20 2005, 06:32 PM)
I am negotiating on a Crown set and if I get it, I will post pictures.

Did you eventually obtain this set?

The star appears to have the central crown quite similar to that of an Officer's cross that has been on eBay sometime ago.

(IMG:http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5654/65925426794gy.jpg)
Originally posted in Fake Grand Cross Order of the Crown?
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Posted: June 26, 2006 03:10 pm
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QUOTE (Cuza @ May 7 2006, 03:45 PM)
Hallmarks on crown set.  They are almost impossible to read-I scanned them at 1200 dpi and tried to adjust contrast and light to highlight.  Maybe someone with French hallmark knowledge can help.  My best guess is Lemaitre, but the marks could be Bertrand or Kretly.

(IMG:http://img281.imageshack.us/img281/2802/marks10ar.jpg)

The one to the left might be the mark of the Paris Assay Office (a boar head according to Basic Hallmark Identification).
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