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Victor
Posted: February 14, 2005 07:35 pm
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QUOTE (Benoit Douville @ Feb 14 2005, 02:56 AM)
Is it true that there was hatred and animosity between Germans and Romanians at Stalingrad or it is only a cliché?

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You mean among the troops caught in the encirclement in the city or in general?
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Benoit Douville
Posted: February 15, 2005 12:18 am
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Dragos,

I appreciate the article that you gave me to read.

Victor,

I mean both, in the encirclement at Stalingrad and in general also.

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Posted: February 18, 2005 08:27 pm
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A very good book about Romanian Army at Stalingrad is "ROMÂNII LA STALINGRAD" by Adrian Pandea, Ion Pavelescu and Eftimie Ardeleanu. This book was published in 1992 by Editura Militară. After my opinon is one of the best book about the tragedy of Romanian Army at Stalingrad.

Below is the fron cover of this book

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Posted: February 18, 2005 08:33 pm
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Posted: February 18, 2005 09:08 pm
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From where can we buy this book? It seems pretty interesting reading material.
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Posted: February 18, 2005 09:35 pm
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I found one in the antiquarian bookshop of the "Noi" library, near "Dalles" in Bucharest.
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Posted: February 18, 2005 09:39 pm
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From where can we buy this book? It seems pretty interesting reading material.


Really I don't know but now is very hard to get this it. This book contains many documents about the situation of Romanian Army at Stalingrad.
You can see below a short part of documents list from this book

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Posted: February 18, 2005 09:43 pm
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And here is the contents of this book

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Posted: February 19, 2005 04:11 am
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I heard a story about a camp for prisoners built by the Soviets in the winter of 1942-1943. When the camp started to function, inside there were tens of thousands of Romanian and Italian prisoners.
When the spring of 1943 finally arrived, 6 or 7 were still alive. Not 6 or 7 thousands... 6 or 7 men!
The teller of the story was one of the 6 or 7 survivers...

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Posted: February 19, 2005 06:48 am
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The number given by Krivosheev for dead Romanian POWs is 40,000 out of 201,800.
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Posted: February 19, 2005 10:57 pm
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I red today a link from Romanian Defense Minsiter where are published the numbers and locations of Romanian militaries (POW and KIA) dead in other countries.

In ourdays Russian Federation there are almost 16.000 deads as POW and over 1800 KIA.

For example: River Don Zone: 1495 KIA 4298 POW dead


These are official figures with burrial places as gave by Russian authorities.
check this link (only in Romanian):

http://www.mapn.ro/traditii/sitmocr1.html


Anyway, I knew that many prisoners were dead, I was expecting big numbers but tens of thousands never. And how did they died in war time: working, hunger, ilness or shot?

After the war Russians put them to work in mines or other extreme conditions and they worked till their death.

A friend of mine remembers that Soljenitzn claims in one of his books to have found in the goulags, in the 70's, german and romanian prisoners. It seems that among them there were POW from WWII. Does anyone know something on this?

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Posted: February 20, 2005 06:28 pm
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I have this book.

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Posted: April 05, 2005 06:30 am
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QUOTE (88mm @ Jul 8 2003, 04:51 PM)
Were the romanian units cought in the encerclement at Stalingrad under the direct comand of the germans?

20th Infantry Division, having lost most of the heavy weapons and supply services, has been subordinated to, and supplyed by the German IV Corps.

1st Cavalry Division entered on 22 November under the command of the German VII Corps. On 24 November, under the command of XIV Panzer Corps. On 30 November, 7 companies of the 1st Cavalry Division were assigned to defend the front between the 376th and 44th German Infantry Divisions. Between 2 and 10 December, gen. Romulus Dimitriu organized 11 batlte-worthy groups and 18 labor and horse-drawn transport services from the rest of the 1st Cavalry Division, that were distributed to 15 German divisions and the General [Hans] Hube Group and LI Army Corps. Colonel Voicu Group was also split among these German units.
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Ruy Aballe
Posted: April 05, 2005 05:10 pm
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QUOTE (C-2 @ Feb 20 2005, 06:28 PM)
I have this book.

C-2,

Could you please post a review of this book, with full details, at the review thread?
Thanks in advance.
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Posted: April 05, 2005 07:08 pm
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Summary
Chapter 1.From neutrality to war.The campain of 41
Chapter2 The year 1942-"a real bisectix of the war.The developments on dif.military theateres of operations.
Chapter 3.Rom polit.and milit situation during the first part of 1942.
4. Operaton Stalingrad and its problems;
The main milit actions on the ways of acces to Stalin.
The military geografhic analysis of the ground.
The project of the establoishment of army group Don.
5.The 3rd Rom arm at the don's elbow.
6.The 4rt Rom arm in the Kalmuck steppe.
7.oper.Uranus
8.Thwe defence op of tye 3rd Rom army.in the Don's elbow.
9. The def in the Kalmuk steppe.
10. oper.Snowstorm
11 Rom-Germ headdquarters relations during the battle of Staling.
Conclusions
Maps.
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