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Posted: November 02, 2013 10:41 am
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Can you help me with translation in english please?

Anunt pe aceasta cale, descoperirea ramasitelor avionului de vanatoare IAR80 nr 293, doborat de artileria anti-aeriana la Intorsura Buzaului in 29.08. 1944. Am avut enorma sansa sa gasesc martor al incidentului, Nicolae B, 84 de ani, fara de care nu as fi identificat locatia.
Pilotul Sl. Av. Alex Florentin, a atacat aglomerarea de trupe germane din zona garii Intorsura Buzaului, provocand numeroase victime in randul germanilor. Dupa trecerea razanta("rase motte"-"razmut" cum ziceau pilotii), s-a intors pt a ataca inca o data trupele inamice. Germanii de data aceasta au ripostat cu tunuri Flak(cel mai probabil de 20 mm), lovind si incendiind avionul. Dupa ce a fost lovit in motor, pilotul a fost nevoit sa ia inaltime pt a se parasuta; dupa parasutare avionul a intrat cu viteza mare in picaj, prabusindu-se in dealul din apropiere. Pilotul a fost capturat de soldatii germani("veniti cu 2 motociclete cu 3 roti"-spusele dl Nicolae, cel mai probabil cu atas), intr-o curte de la marginea Intorsurii, acolo unde cazuse cu parasuta. Era ranit la picioare. A scapat de linsare, deoarece batranii in curtea carora cazuse, s-au implorat de soldati. 2 zile a stat intr-o magazie, fara ingrijiri medicale, singurul care avea acces la el fiind un batran pe care nemtii il lasau sa-i duca de mancare. Dupa 2 zile a fost trimis intr-un lagar din Germania, de unde a revenit dupa terminarea razboiului. Dupa razboi, Sl. Av Alex Florentin a fost pilot la Tarom. Acesta a pastrat legatura cu familia care l-a salvat, petrecandu-si parte din concedii pe la Intorsura. A fost prezent la inmormantarea batranului in anii 70 si a tinut legatura cu copii acestuia.
Din cate stiu, Sl. Av Alex. F a decedat dupa revolutie.

Ce a ramas din avion in locatia prabusirii a fost luat pe rand de tarani, au folosit aluminiul, pt ca mai apoi Securitatea si Armata sa recupereze tot. Ce vedeti in imagini sunt resturi descoperite cu detectorul, in 4 "expeditii" (fiind in munti locatia), si au "scapat" prin faptul ca erau ingropate destul de adanc, pe o suprafata mare.

Aici tipul de avion:


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Posted: November 02, 2013 10:44 am
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Posted: November 02, 2013 10:45 am
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Posted: November 02, 2013 10:46 am
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Piese mai mari

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Trapa rotunda de pe aripa

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Posibil comanda flaps

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"Gura" de foc, pe unde iesea teava de la mitraliere(localizata in aripa)

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Bucata scaun pilot?

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Vopsea originala

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Stanta fabricii "IAR"

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Posted: November 02, 2013 10:49 am
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Fragment chiulasa de la un cilindru

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Piesa neidentificata...

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Iar80 vs P38 USAAF

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Piesa de rezistenta: Placuta de identificare a avionului, cu serii, reparatii...etc

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Se vede revizia capitala, "05.1944"

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Posted: November 02, 2013 11:38 am
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WOOOOOWWW!
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Posted: November 02, 2013 12:32 pm
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Very impressive. Well done.
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Posted: November 03, 2013 01:55 am
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QUOTE (Ferdinand @ November 02, 2013 05:41 am)
Can you help me with translation in english please?

Anunt pe aceasta cale, descoperirea ramasitelor avionului de vanatoare IAR80 nr 293, doborat de artileria anti-aeriana la Intorsura Buzaului in 29.08. 1944. Am avut enorma sansa sa gasesc martor al incidentului, Nicolae B, 84 de ani, fara de care nu as fi identificat locatia.
Pilotul Sl. Av. Alex Florentin, a atacat aglomerarea de trupe germane din zona garii Intorsura Buzaului, provocand numeroase victime in randul germanilor. Dupa trecerea razanta("rase motte"-"razmut" cum ziceau pilotii), s-a intors pt a ataca inca o data trupele inamice. Germanii de data aceasta au ripostat cu tunuri Flak(cel mai probabil de 20 mm), lovind si incendiind avionul. Dupa ce a fost lovit in motor, pilotul a fost nevoit sa ia inaltime pt a se parasuta; dupa parasutare avionul a intrat cu viteza mare in picaj, prabusindu-se in dealul din apropiere. Pilotul a fost capturat de soldatii germani("veniti cu 2 motociclete cu 3 roti"-spusele dl Nicolae, cel mai probabil cu atas), intr-o curte de la marginea Intorsurii, acolo unde cazuse cu parasuta. Era ranit la picioare. A scapat de linsare, deoarece batranii in curtea carora cazuse, s-au implorat de soldati. 2 zile a stat intr-o magazie, fara ingrijiri medicale, singurul care avea acces la el fiind un batran pe care nemtii il lasau sa-i duca de mancare. Dupa 2 zile a fost trimis intr-un lagar din Germania, de unde a revenit dupa terminarea razboiului. Dupa razboi, Sl. Av Alex Florentin a fost pilot la Tarom. Acesta a pastrat legatura cu familia care l-a salvat, petrecandu-si parte din concedii pe la Intorsura. A fost prezent la inmormantarea batranului in anii 70 si a tinut legatura cu copii acestuia.
Din cate stiu, Sl. Av Alex. F a decedat dupa revolutie.

Ce a ramas din avion in locatia prabusirii a fost luat pe rand de tarani, au folosit aluminiul, pt ca mai apoi Securitatea si Armata sa recupereze tot. Ce vedeti in imagini sunt resturi descoperite cu detectorul, in 4 "expeditii" (fiind in munti locatia), si au "scapat" prin faptul ca erau ingropate destul de adanc, pe o suprafata mare.

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I am using this way to announce that we discovered the remains of the fighter airplane IAR 80 No. 293, shot down by the anti-aircraft artillery at Intorsura Buzaului on August 29, 1944. I had the extraordinary luck to find a witness of the event, Mr. Nicolae B, presently 84 years old. I would not find the right location without him.
Pilot Alex Florentin, Sub Lieutenant Aviator, attacked the German ground troops crowded around Intorsura Buzaului railroad station, causing many losses in the German ranks. After passing over them at very low altitude, he returned to attack them once more. This time the Germans were prepared with 20mm Flak. They hit the plane, and this caught fire. With his airplane hit in the engine, the pilot had to gain altitude in order to be able to parachute himself. After he succeeded doing this, the pilotless plane started a high speed deep dive and knocked into the nearest hill. The pilot was captured by the Germans coming into 2 motorcycles with sidecar. They picked him from the yard of a house at the edge of the town, were the pilot finally land. The pilot was wounded at both legs, but his captors intended to lynch him. He was saved by the last moment intervention of the elderly house owners, who begged the Germans to reconsider. The pilot was laid in a barn for 2 days, with no medical care. The only person allowed to him was an old man that brought him food, with the permission of the Germans. At the end of these 2 days he was sent to Germany as prisoner.
Sub Lieutenant Aviator Alex Florentin returned to Romania after war. He became a TAROM pilot and kept in touch with his saviors, spending some of his vacations at Intorsura Buzaului. The pilot was present at the funeral of the old man, occurring in the 1970’s, then he maintained relations with his children.
As far it is known, Sub Lieutenant Aviator Alex Florentin died after the revolution of 1989.
What was left of his plane was first looted by the local peasant for aluminum. The Romanian Army and the Security branch of the Communist Party picked up whatever was left on the ground. What you can see in the photos above was discovered with metal detector, and this is the result of 4 expeditions that went deep into the local mountains. The objects in photos were still there because they were buried deep into the ground and were spread over a great surface.

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Posted: November 03, 2013 12:56 pm
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Senchiu Florin!
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Posted: November 03, 2013 03:07 pm
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QUOTE (Florin @ November 03, 2013 07:55 am)
[QUOTE=Ferdinand,November 02, 2013 05:41 am] The pilot was wounded at both legs, but his captors intended to lynch him. He was saved by the last moment intervention of the elderly house owners, who begged the Germans to reconsider.

This makes no sense. Soldiers do not lynch, civilians do. Soldiers execute people.
If he was about to be lynched, it must have been attempted by civilians (Germans, Hungarians?). Also, if German soldiers wanted to execute the Rumanian pilot (as traitor?), they would have done it, regardless if a few Rumanian elder people begged not to.
I would leave this unconfirmed detail out of the story.

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Posted: November 03, 2013 04:03 pm
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QUOTE (Dénes @ November 03, 2013 10:07 am)
........ Soldiers do not lynch, civilians do. Soldiers execute people.

Soldiers execute people when they are receiving an order accordingly.
What word is proper when soldiers kill enemy soldiers or civilians and by doing so they contradict orders issued by their own higher hierarchy ?
This is a general question, not necessarily linked to the topic.
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...... if German soldiers wanted to execute the Rumanian pilot (as traitor?), they would have done it, regardless if a few Rumanian elder people begged not to.

This statement sounds realistic.
P.S: Dénes, somebody told me many years ago: "A good translation has to reflect exactly the original. You should not improve the original. There are some excellent translations of bad books."

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Posted: November 03, 2013 04:13 pm
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QUOTE (Florin @ November 03, 2013 10:03 pm)
What word is proper when soldiers kill enemy soldiers or civilians and by doing so they contradict orders issued by their own higher hierarchy ?

It's summary execution.

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P.S. My note did not refer to the translator, but who the original text in Rumanian belongs to.

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Posted: November 04, 2013 08:53 am
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Sorin Tullea almost was lynched by fellow moldavians.
The propaganda sistem was telling them about spies falling out of the skies...
Even the local jandarms have given him some blows to the head.
A german patrol saved him.
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Posted: November 04, 2013 10:58 am
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What i wrote it is based on the eyewitness story.
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Posted: November 04, 2013 02:22 pm
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And that's exactly why it has to be taken with a grain of salt.

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