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Posted: October 14, 2012 10:30 pm
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QUOTE (Radub @ October 14, 2012 10:18 pm)
Imperialist!
I urged you many times to leave me out of this. You are making stuff up and attributing it to me. Then you ask me to clarify this made-up stuff. And when I refuse to engage in this, you act as if I am doing somethig wrong.

You are taking things I said out of context. The context also included the words "let us keep this friendly" but I do not see you paying much attention to them.

I made no snide remarks about anyone's clear cut opinions. For most of this entire thread, ALL of my posts were asking you to leave me in peace. I am not interested ina row with you.

I never used the words "painful truths". You said that.

I do not know what "message" Denes "delivered". In as far as I can see, he "asked" a question about a map on a website run by someone else. But even so, why does it matter to you what I think about Denes's questions? He is a free man in a free world and he can do whatever he wants. I am not "the boss of Denes".

Radu

I don't understand why you're taking it personal or making such a big deal out of it. I asked you for your opinion on the map because a statement you made gave me the impression that you think the map is accurate. And I didn't ask it because I badly need your opinion on the map but because I didn't want to jump to conclusions. Had I said something without first knowing for sure what you meant then you would have said I'm putting words in your mouth and you never meant to say that and then there would have been a whole row about it.

So my attempt to avoid an argument with you ended up in an argument with you because for some reason you staunchly avoid answering straight questions. Or at least this question.

p.s. I didn't make stuff up, I quoted you. Yes, you didn't say "painful truth" you said "unpleasant truth".

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Posted: October 14, 2012 10:37 pm
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You made it personal and you made it a big thing.
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Posted: October 15, 2012 07:01 am
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QUOTE (Dénes @ October 14, 2012 08:45 pm)
QUOTE (horia @ October 15, 2012 02:00 am)
It is not the first time when you act in such manner, and let me believe you are not so naďve so that you would not presume the outcome of these discussions. The fact that you've opened a meaningless topic lead me to believe you have a different agenda.

Horia, I am surprised by your post. I did not expect you to write in this manner, alluding that somehow I am the guilty one for all the extreme outburst that followed. Anyhow...

Tell me, which part of my previous post, explaining this thread is unclear to you?
""As mentioned, I found this series of maps by accident, being advertised on the bottom of this forum. I simply wanted to ask other members' opinion about it, from a purely historical approach.""

Also, would you care to explain your sentence: ""It is not the first time when you act in such manner..."

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You asked:

How much this map reflects the point of view of the current Romanian historiography?

An I explained the POV of the Romanian historiography.

""It is not the first time when you act in such manner..." it is about the fact that is not the first time when you quote untrusted Internet sources or books written by enthusiast ins ted historians.

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Posted: October 15, 2012 03:14 pm
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denes why you didn"t find this map and start a topic
http://moldova.go.ro/imagini/harti/romare2.gif
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Posted: October 15, 2012 04:02 pm
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QUOTE (adicontakt @ October 15, 2012 10:14 am)
denes why you didn"t find this map and start a topic
http://moldova.go.ro/imagini/harti/romare2.gif 
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"adicontackt", this is not a good example because it represents the XXth century.
All this battle entrenched under this topic should get refrained under the 8th century shown by the original map.

Seeing all this street fight, I have to say that as usual no side is 100 percent angelic: some people here should refrain their wording and should be more careful in the way they express their point of view.
In the same I am myself convinced that Gen. Denes, as a very intelligent person that I am sure he is, anticipated this kind of anger at least up to a predictable point, before he decided to start this topic.

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Posted: October 15, 2012 05:38 pm
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QUOTE (Florin @ October 15, 2012 10:02 pm)
I am myself convinced that Gen. Denes, as a very intelligent person I am sure he is, anticipated this kind of anger at least up to a predictable point, before he decided to start this topic.

I am sorry to say, Florin, I am not that intelligent, because honestly I did not anticipate at all the amount of extreme and nationalist slur this thread would generate.

As noted earlier, "I found this series of maps by accident, being advertised on the bottom of this forum. I simply wanted to ask other members' opinion about it, from a purely historical approach." That's all I intended to achieve, without any "hidden agenda". And I learned a good lesson, namely that's impossible to conduct a dialogue here due to a handful of people, a vociferous minority, as instead of the ball they decided to play the player, and this is a shame.

Florin, I have to highlight you as one of the very few people who actually tried to contribute with meaningful historical comments regarding the various maps found in the site featured by the Google ad, without engaging in a personal attack. This is commendable, and should act as a model to follow.

From my point of view, this thread can be locked, as it leaves to nowhere.

Gen. Dénes

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Posted: October 15, 2012 07:14 pm
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John Cena, a WWE superstar, has a very good message on his T-shirt: "Rise Above Hate."
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Posted: October 15, 2012 07:37 pm
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QUOTE (Dénes @ October 15, 2012 05:38 pm)
As noted earlier, "I found this series of maps by accident, being advertised on the bottom of this forum. I simply wanted to ask other members' opinion about it, from a purely historical approach." That's all I intended to achieve, without any "hidden agenda". And I learned a good lesson, namely that's impossible to conduct a dialogue here due to a handful of people, a vociferous minority, as instead of the ball they decided to play the player, and this is a shame.

I'm sure you knew that by posting a map that does not show the presence of Romance/Romanized people north of the Danube (like the map I posted does) and then by asking "also there was nobody in Transylvania?" you were bound to create a s***storm. The subject is sensitive and the inaccurate map and the way you worded the questions didn't help. That doesn't mean some forumists should have attacked you. Maybe the lesson we should all learn is both to avoid personal attack and to respect other's sensitivities if possible.
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Posted: October 15, 2012 08:25 pm
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QUOTE (Imperialist @ October 16, 2012 01:37 am)
Maybe the lesson we should all learn is both to avoid personal attack and to respect other's sensitivities if possible.

I agree with your statement.

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Posted: October 16, 2012 07:38 am
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All I can say is that I am very disappointed with the reactions in this topic. It seems we are still far from being able to discuss sensitive issues with maturity.

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