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Posted: February 18, 2010 10:38 am
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Contras,go and spent a day or two in Baltzi,and you will return much wiser,and will understand that whishfull thinking is one thing and the reality is an other.


You're right, maybe I should.
But I trust in the wiews of young generation, who is different, became easier educated, had acces at internet and alternative media vectors, travel aboard (especially in west), and many of them, working in west.
This is an important catalyst.
And I don't think at the next day, I forecast for nex 10 years.
Because in next 10 years, in east, we will see 3 important phenomenons (IMO):
1. Russia will try to regain his great power status, even in hard style
2. Ukraine will be disolved, hard way, or soft way
3. Moldova will be united with Romania, with or without Transnistria

All these will be close interconnected, and about the way to do it, it depends very much about Western reactions.
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Posted: February 18, 2010 12:45 pm
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Make it 25-30 years,under right conditions,and yes ,the yougsters are de future.
As for R. geting to be a regional power,Ukraine disolving, etc,forget about it,its again whishfull thinking.
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Posted: February 18, 2010 02:15 pm
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As for R. geting to be a regional power,Ukraine disolving, etc,forget about it,its again whishfull thinking.
take care,


guina, about whishfull thinking...

In December 1916, who dreamed that 2 years later, we'll have Greater Romania, including Bassarabia?

In 1988, who dreamed that one year later, Romania will not be under communist rule? And 15 years later, will be NATO member, and 3 more years later UE member?

You know, in present day, history rolls faster... For many people, too fast.

BTW, you know Alvin Toffler's book, Future shock? (Socul viitorului).
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Posted: February 18, 2010 04:08 pm
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Yeah,I read it some 30 years ago.
About 1916,lots of people dreamt of union ,AND worked for it.Read IG Duca memoirs.
Again,in 88 many competent analists predicted the fall of communism and some of them even earlier,after Reagan's " Star wars " bluff and the fall of petroleum prices.When you have time,go to american library in Bucharest and ask for 80-ties collection of "Eastern Europe" magazine.You"ll find it very revealing.
But I agree with you that history rolls fast and especialy that most of the people are unprepared for this.

take care,

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Posted: February 19, 2010 10:40 am
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Posted: February 19, 2010 11:32 am
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However, the future seems to be more "federalized/regionalized" than "reunified". In what concerns Moldova, I guess we'd sooner see an "autonomous region" in Transylvania than a "Greater Romania" once again.
PS: we didn't know what to do with it (România Mare) the first time when we got it...

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Posted: February 19, 2010 03:12 pm
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QUOTE (contras @ February 18, 2010 07:15 pm)
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As for R. geting to be a regional power,Ukraine disolving, etc,forget about it,its again whishfull thinking.
take care,


guina, about whishfull thinking...

In December 1916, who dreamed that 2 years later, we'll have Greater Romania, including Bassarabia?

In 1988, who dreamed that one year later, Romania will not be under communist rule? And 15 years later, will be NATO member, and 3 more years later UE member?

You know, in present day, history rolls faster... For many people, too fast.

BTW, you know Alvin Toffler's book, Future shock? (Socul viitorului).

Great topic!

And to think people were seriously talking about the End of History" in the 90's (Fukuyama thesis).

Agree anything possible, but I would not bet on Ukraine flying apart anytime soon.

Future Shock! wow! haven't heard THAT book mentioned lately. And when he (Toffler) was writing there was NO internet!! Wish he could see it now!

I think right now the most dangerous thing is the Greeks will blow the EU apart. I read that HALF the Greek workforce are government employees, and so expect generous pay and benefits in a country where it's considered OK not to pay your taxes.

Good luck to them, but doubt that is sustainable, even if the Germans bail them out.

If Greece goes, I doubt Romania could afford to bring in Moldova, right now.
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Posted: February 20, 2010 03:30 pm
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Maybe Francis Fukuyama was not entirely wrong.
It was the end of some kind of history...

But now, other books are more actual, like Zbigniew Brzezinnski, Marea tabla de sah (Great chaseboard), Ed Univers enciclopedic, 2000
John G. Mearsheimer, Tragedia politicii de forta, ed Antet, 2001

And, more specific for our region,
Janusz Bugajski, Pacea rece, ed. Casa Radio, 2005
Edward Lucas, The new cold war, Blomsburg Publishing, London, 2008


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Posted: February 20, 2010 04:18 pm
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Posted: February 26, 2010 11:00 pm
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In what concerns Moldova, I guess we'd sooner see an "autonomous region" in Transylvania than a "Greater Romania" once again.


I don't think you are right, because in UE are many rules about this kind of "options". The only problems we could have are about the others neighbours who are not UE members.
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Posted: February 27, 2010 07:58 am
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In what concerns Moldova, I guess we'd sooner see an "autonomous region" in Transylvania than a "Greater Romania" once again.


I don't think you are right, because in UE are many rules about this kind of "options". The only problems we could have are about the others neighbours who are not UE members.

EU has no "rules" when it comes to "autonomy". In actual fact, the EU is heardquartered in Belgium where the Flemish and Waloons each wish for independence/autonomy. How about The Bascs and Catalunians who also wish to have their own autonomous states? How about the Northern Irish? How about... well, you take your pick, it appears that every EU nation has such an issue.
EU cold only wish that they had some sort of magic wand that they could vawe and sort these out.

Many Romanians simply do not understand what federalism and autonomy mean. A few years ago, a fellow Romanian told me: "Romania made a mistake when it became democratic. It would be better if Romania became federal. I went to the Democratic Republic of Germany and to the Federal Republic of Germany. The Federal Republic was much more mishto". When I tried to explain to this guy that it would mean autonomy for Transylvania, Wallachia, Banat, Maramures, Moldova etc, he nearly had a conniption. This man has the right to vote!

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  Posted: February 27, 2010 09:26 am
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This man has the right to vote!

Actually, most of the voters are likewise! :o
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Posted: February 27, 2010 10:12 am
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i do have the right to vote myself too and i'm still for banat autonomy.
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Posted: February 27, 2010 06:10 pm
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1. That is your option, to which you are entitled as a citizen of a democracy (still are, I guess).
2. As you perceive the difference betweeen DDR and Federal Germany, you aren't in question.
3. It wasn't about Banat, but rather Har-Cov that rattled the authonomy issue.
4. I still believe that most people don't have the faintest idea who/what/why they're voting; I'm not sure whether this is the cause or the effect for the sheer outrageous behaviour of our politicians...
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Posted: February 27, 2010 06:52 pm
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Actually many have an idea why they are voting: up to 100 RON, some flasks of tuica, some kilos of flour, sugar, sunflower oil etc... even pigs.
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