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Posted: February 10, 2010 05:53 am
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the EU would have to agree first. and it was hard enough to have the population convinced that Romania and Bulgaria should join. whoever would try to implement that union will be hard pressed to convince the rest of the union why they should pay for a strip of land, poorer than albania


I am not up to speed on the EU's motives for integrating or not integrating new members, but from a novice's perspective, it seems to me that Russia would bristle with each step the EU takes towards the East. Given the historical past, Moldova would seem a bit too far East for the EU. And, let's face it, Russia perceives the EU - and implicitly NATO - as a threat. A resurgent Russia has been flexing their weakened muscles as hard as they can in front of a militarily and politically weakened USA.

I hope I am wrong, but I do not see - given the present situation of the US - any further integration of Eastern European nations into the EU.
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Posted: February 10, 2010 06:55 am
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it will not happen, not even in the mid-term future. croatia might be admitted and maybe even montenegro. then it will stop for quite some time. it is not even possible to sell the admission of turkey, which is far ahead of albania or molodova, to the population(s).
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Posted: February 10, 2010 08:37 am
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I had earlier a comment on other topic, but I think is very good here, too. It is about new Russian military doctrine.

New military doctrine of Russia, until 2020, approved in 5 february, says that the main danger for Russia is NATO enlargement and second the missile shield. On this doctrine, Russia express his avaibility to use first nuclear strikes.

"Earlier, several officials involved in the creation of Russia’s new military doctrine said it would provide more liberties in terms of the use of nuclear weapons. Stronger reliance on nuclear deterrence is to compensate for the downsizing of the Russian armed forces. The military reduction, however, is part of a major military reform, which is aimed at making the army better equipped to meet modern challenges."

"According to the new doctrine, Russia views the expansion of NATO as a primary threat to its security, as well as part of a tendency to give NATO global security functions.

Another threat mentioned is the deployment of the strategic missile defense system that undermines international stability and violates the established balance of forces.

Arms deployment in space and the creation of new high-precision conventional weapons are also listed as threats in the doctrine."



For more:
http://rt.com/Politics/2010-02-05/russia-m...e-approved.html
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Posted: February 11, 2010 09:41 am
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QUOTE (contras @ February 09, 2010 05:55 pm)
True, dead-cat, but sooner or later, EU will extend again. Therer are some countries who waited, ex-Yugoslavia, (Western Balkans), and others.
Because it is cheaper for EU to help these countries to became rich, their citizens to have rights and some good economic status, in place of protect themself against illegal imigrants and other problems.
The time for Moldova will came. The main problem is with Transnstria's status. This frozen conflict cant persist, if Moldova want's to have a chance to join EU.
This state in state can be easilly overthrown. It is just a problem of will. If Ukraine put a blockade at his borders, Moldova the same, in few days the leaders will leave to Moscow. Because the regime can't exist if the smmugling traffic is stoped.
And the traffic route is on Ukrainean territory, with the complicity of Ukrainean leaders. It is another level to blackmail Moldova and Romania.

usually I am a pacifist, but when it comes to trasnitria I realize this one cant be solved by talking
the only real solution is to bomb them into oblivion ,, after all it is a small petch of lkand, probably comparable with Gaza in size, and in thsi small strip of land the most of it is ocupied by the population and the leaders only have some military bases and "govormental" buildings,
we should omb them to hell, and we could do it from a safe distance, you dont even have to invade the terytory, you just need foir the mkoldovian regim to let us place our long range artilery on the western bank of Nistru and iin a couple of hours oof heavy bombing transnitrian regim would be finished
of course, that would be received by the russians as a provocation.
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Posted: February 11, 2010 11:48 am
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QUOTE (TYPHON @ February 11, 2010 09:41 am)
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usually I am a pacifist,

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the only real solution is to bomb them into oblivion

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we should omb them to hell,

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in a couple of hours oof heavy bombing transnitrian regim would be finished

OK, you suggest this as a pacifist. :o But, what would you suggest if you were not a pacifist? :blink:
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Posted: February 11, 2010 08:19 pm
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QUOTE (Radub @ February 11, 2010 11:48 am)
QUOTE (TYPHON @ February 11, 2010 09:41 am)
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usually I am  a pacifist,

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the only real solution is to bomb them into oblivion

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we should omb them to hell,

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in a couple of hours oof heavy bombing transnitrian regim would be finished

OK, you suggest this as a pacifist. :o But, what would you suggest if you were not a pacifist? :blink:
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I thought I was clear, when it comes to transnistria I AM NOT A PACIFIST

so that was my solution as a warmonger, not a pacifist
I dont have a pacifistic solution for transnistria

however if my solution is too soft
than I would suggest impaling ( tragere in teapa ) the surviving enemy comanders and any other enemy soldier who can be proven that he did atrocities during the ocupation, like killing inocent people, raping women, etc

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Posted: February 11, 2010 09:15 pm
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I think Transnistria is like Russia's army in miniature. It not a bunch of drunken mercenaries, and not an army of truly high trained profesional soldiers, but you can find here both.

For more info, look here, are some interesting aricles about Transnistrian military dates, geopolitics, and more. And, of course, where and what arms are produced and sale from Transnistria.

http://www.civicnet.info/Dosarul_transnistrean.asp
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Posted: February 11, 2010 09:27 pm
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And about how Transnistria become a frozen conflict in 1992, look here:

http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabel_cronolo...in_Transnistria
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Posted: February 12, 2010 10:25 pm
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we should omb them to hell, and we could do it from a safe distance, you dont even have to invade the terytory, you just need foir the mkoldovian regim to let us place our long range artilery on the western bank of Nistru and iin a couple of hours oof heavy bombing transnitrian regim would be finished
of course, that would be received by the russians as a provocation.


I must think of another scenary. If Moldova, tomorow, or maybe the next year, or after five years, will show his desire to be united with Romania, and a referendum take place and the majority will say yes, what should be the answer of Romania? Will Romanian army cross the Prut river like in 1918 or in 1941? And what will the answer of Transnistria?
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Posted: February 12, 2010 11:02 pm
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A brief completition about Transnistria
In the last years the Operational Group of Russian Forces in Moldova (the remains of the soviet/russian 14th Army) was reduced, the remaining strength as of 2006 is about 1,200 troops, and comprises - two Separate Motor-Rifle Battalions (Peacekeeping missions), one Independent Security and Support Battalion, a helicopter detachment (Tiraspol airport) and several small administrative detachments. As a comparison in 1992 there was a complete Motor Rifle Division, two or three Engineer or Pontoon-Bridge Regiments, at least one Independent Communications Regiment, one Independent Artillery Regiment, one Mixed Antiarmour Artillery Regiment, one Missile Brigade, one Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade, and other units with over 6.500 soldiers (around 8.000 soldiers in summer 1992). So in those 18 years who passed the russians have managed to pull out a part of their troops from the region. So, the Moldovan government would have in a certain moment the opportunity to release the region from the rebel paramilitary formations. Why not with our unofficial aid, for instance with special operations units?
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Posted: February 13, 2010 09:37 am
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Moldova doesn't need Transnistria and that patch of land should be no part of or obstacle to a hypothetical union between Romania and Moldova. 60% of Transnistria's population is made up of Russians and Ukrainians and given that ethnic situation no attack on Transnistria is possible without Russian and Ukrainian backlash.
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Posted: February 13, 2010 10:53 am
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QUOTE (contras @ February 12, 2010 10:25 pm)
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we should omb them to hell, and we could do it from a safe distance, you dont even have to invade the terytory, you just need foir the mkoldovian regim to let us place our long range artilery on the western bank of Nistru and iin a couple of hours oof heavy bombing transnitrian regim would be finished
of course, that would be received by the russians as a provocation.


I must think of another scenary. If Moldova, tomorow, or maybe the next year, or after five years, will show his desire to be united with Romania, and a referendum take place and the majority will say yes, what should be the answer of Romania? Will Romanian army cross the Prut river like in 1918 or in 1941? And what will the answer of Transnistria?

I am sorry, it was my mistake for not being to clear

my scenario was to do what I said in the case moldova decides to unite with us, and thus by the right of soveranity the second day we could blow to pieces those pupets from transnistria

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Posted: February 13, 2010 10:57 am
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QUOTE (Imperialist @ February 13, 2010 09:37 am)
Moldova doesn't need Transnistria and that patch of land should be no part of or obstacle to a hypothetical union between Romania and Moldova. 60% of Transnistria's population is made up of Russians and Ukrainians and given that ethnic situation no attack on Transnistria is possible without Russian and Ukrainian backlash.

sorry to tell you but ou are wrong, that statistic was maniulated by the russians, th mjority of the population is romanian, not ruso/ukrainian
and moldova needs that region because most of its industry and energy plants are located there
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Posted: February 13, 2010 04:19 pm
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QUOTE (TYPHON @ February 13, 2010 10:57 am)

sorry to tell you but ou are wrong, that statistic was maniulated by the russians, th mjority of the population is romanian, not ruso/ukrainian
and moldova needs that region because most of its industry and energy plants are located there

In that case offer us the correct statistic, preferably with a source.

And if Moldova unifies with Romania it sure wouldn't need Transnistria any more. Moldova has lived without it for almost 2 decades, it sure could live without her as part of Romania.
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Posted: February 14, 2010 01:45 pm
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And if Moldova unifies with Romania it sure wouldn't need Transnistria any more. Moldova has lived without it for almost 2 decades, it sure could live without her as part of Romania.


Imperialist, if Moldova disclaim Transnistria, without take something in change, it will be the first time in history when a state gives up peacefully a part of his teritory, recognised by all ONU members.
Moldova can try to made an exchange with Ukraine, to take southern Bassarabia in change for Transnistria, but Ukraine, who play a doble sense role here, don't want to hear about this.
It was a little tentative, when Romanian president, after aparition of Belkovski plan, said that everybody talks about Moldova to give Transnistria, but nobody talks about returning southern Bassarabia to Moldova. Next day, Romanian ambassador was called to Foreign Minister in Kiev, for explanations.
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