Romanian-Hungarian border 1918/1920, split from Romania and Polish-Soviet War

split from http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=6669

I doubt it, because there were hundreds and hundreds of km to Rumania. Remember, Rumanian troops were deep inside Hungary in April 1919.

Gen. Dénes

P.S. What do you mean by "your" government?

Sorry about "your" government part, but due to your attitude I thought (at a sub-conscious level) that you identify yourself with the Hungarian state, in its various territorial / political phases... If you're not, well, that was my impression...
Now back to the issue: perhaps we should agree on the territorial size of Hungary and Romania in april 1919. What do you say?

Your impression is wrong. I try to keep myself equidistant from all parties.

As for the borders, they were officially set by the Trianon Peace Treaty, which was signed on 4 June 1920 and took effect in 1921.

Gen. Dénes

This post has been edited by Dénes on February 06, 2013 06:32 pm

So the borders in april 1919 were set in 1920?! I thought it was the other way around: the borders resulting from the 1919 conflict were sanctioned by "them" (Trianon), because I was wondering from what borders did you get "hundreds of kilometres" inside the Hungarian borders in april 1919.

I thought it's very clear: the new borders were set by the Trianon Peace Treaty (it did not condone the situation on the field, as the Rumanians wanted a border in the middle of the Hungarian puszta). Until then, officially the Nov. 1918 borders were in effect.

Gen. Dénes

What would "officially" mean? Officially not recognizing the Alba-Iulia 1-st. of December 1918 event?

This post has been edited by MMM on February 06, 2013 07:43 pm

Denes, I'm sure you are wrong. Transylvania was part of Hungary in 1919?

Denes, I'm sure you are wrong. Transylvania was part of Hungary in 1919?

De jure yes, de facto no.
Check the text of the Treaty.

Gen. Dénes

P.S. We are getting off topic.

This post has been edited by Dénes on February 06, 2013 08:15 pm

We ARE getting off-topic, so please, moderators, split the last posts to a new topic, whatever title should that one have...
We'll continue the discussion there, de facto...
Anyway, just for curiosity, the Brest-Litovsk peace treaty was de jure in effect in 1919, Denes?

I don't know. Check the date it was signed then ratified by the signing parties. These are juridical issues.

There is no point to split the thread because there is really nothing to discuss.

Let's stick to the original topic.

Gen. Dénes

... and the earlier post in which you write about "de jure" and "de facto" does NOT refer to juridical issues? Or does it?!
PS: thanks, Victor, for the "cleaning job"!