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What was the best tank of World War 2?
1. Sherman Firefly [ 2 ]  [4.44%]
2. Churchhill [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
3. King Tiger [ 6 ]  [13.33%]
4. Tiger I [ 5 ]  [11.11%]
5. Panther [ 16 ]  [35.56%]
6. Panzer IV [ 4 ]  [8.89%]
7. T-34 [ 7 ]  [15.56%]
8. JS-2 [ 1 ]  [2.22%]
9. M-4 Sherman [ 1 ]  [2.22%]
10. Other [ 3 ]  [6.67%]
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Stephen Dabapuscu
Posted on September 22, 2009 11:08 pm
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Please Vote for the Best Tank in World War 2!
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Stephen Dabapuscu
Posted on September 22, 2009 11:12 pm
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I voted for the awesome T-34! over 100,000 built, used by over 40 nations, still in service in some third world armies! fought in dozens of wars!

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Posted on September 23, 2009 05:52 am
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I voted for the PZ 5.
An upgraded version of the T 34.
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Posted on September 23, 2009 07:48 am
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Panther... Teh best. B)
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ovichelu
  Posted on September 23, 2009 07:54 am
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I think that you can`t say that x tipe was the best. But you can say that at an certain moment x tipe was better than y because .....
So in few words there`s no such thing as THE BEST .

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Posted on September 23, 2009 08:16 am
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QUOTE (Stephen Dabapuscu @ September 23, 2009 12:12 am)
I voted for the awesome T-34! over 100,000 built, used by over 40 nations, still in service in some third world armies! fought in dozens of wars!

actually 84.000. nevertheless it was a great design for its time.
i'll go with the panther, which however, was directly influenced by the T-34.
in early '44 the T-34/85 was amuch needed improvement, as the "regular" T-34 was becoming obsolete.
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Posted on September 23, 2009 04:54 pm
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I vote for the Romanian FT-17, a tank that fought in two world wars ! :o
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Stephen Dabapuscu
Posted on September 24, 2009 03:33 pm
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QUOTE (dead-cat @ September 23, 2009 08:16 am)
QUOTE (Stephen Dabapuscu @ September 23, 2009 12:12 am)
I voted for the awesome T-34! over 100,000 built, used by over 40 nations, still in service in some third world armies! fought in dozens of wars!

actually 84.000. nevertheless it was a great design for its time.
i'll go with the panther, which however, was directly influenced by the T-34.
in early '44 the T-34/85 was amuch needed improvement, as the "regular" T-34 was becoming obsolete.

Wikipedia says 84,000, other sources say 100,000+ or 110,000+ so lets just say sources differ! The point is that the T-34 is second most produced tank of all time! only the T-54/55 family was built greater numbers. The T-34 provided the Russians with a effective medium tank, that helped turn the tide of the WW2!

The Panther was also an excellent tank design, designed to counter the T-34/76.
According ospey's duel panther vs t-34/76 at kursk, the Panther won most of the tank battles against the T-34/76 at kursk. However the Panthers broke down qiute often, that and far superior numbers gave the ultimate victory at kursk to the Russians!
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Stephen Dabapuscu
Posted on September 24, 2009 03:35 pm
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QUOTE (dragos @ September 23, 2009 04:54 pm)
I vote for the Romanian FT-17, a tank that fought in two world wars ! :o

Interesting chioce, a little Romanian humor perhaps?
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Stephen Dabapuscu
Posted on September 24, 2009 03:38 pm
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QUOTE (ovichelu @ September 23, 2009 07:54 am)
I think that you can`t say that x tipe was the best. But you can say that at an certain moment x tipe was better than y because .....
So in few words there`s no such thing as THE BEST .

Not true, some tanks are more successful then others; and the cruel selection process of Tank vs Tank combat; clearly proves some tank designs to be superior to others!

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Wikipedia says 84,000, other sources say 100,000+ or 110,000+ so lets just say sources differ! The point is that the T-34 is second most produced tank of all time! only the T-54/55 family was built greater numbers. The T-34 provided the Russians with a effective medium tank, that helped turn the tide of the WW2!

Wikipedia says 84.070. i think i remember the aproximate figure of 84.000 from osprey's "T-34" book(s).
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According ospey's duel panther vs t-34/76 at kursk, the Panther won most of the tank battles against the T-34/76 at kursk.

the panther has been rushed to be at Kursk. there were quite a few technical problems, which were solved during the late 1943/early 1944. most of the 200 panthers delivered were temporarily out of service, awaiting repair.
however, it was the 2nd SS Panzerkorps that saw the bigger part of the fighting during "Citadel".

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QUOTE (dead-cat @ September 24, 2009 03:50 pm)
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Wikipedia says 84,000, other sources say 100,000+ or 110,000+ so lets just say sources differ! The point is that the T-34 is second most produced tank of all time! only the T-54/55 family was built greater numbers. The T-34 provided the Russians with a effective medium tank, that helped turn the tide of the WW2!

Wikipedia says 84.070. i think i remember the aproximate figure of 84.000 from osprey's "T-34" book(s).
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According ospey's duel panther vs t-34/76 at kursk, the Panther won most of the tank battles against the T-34/76 at kursk.

the panther has been rushed to be at Kursk. there were quite a few technical problems, which were solved during the late 1943/early 1944. most of the 200 panthers delivered were temporarily out of service, awaiting repair.
however, it was the 2nd SS Panzerkorps that saw the bigger part of the fighting during "Citadel".

T-34 production by Model and Year

T-34/76 Model 40
1940-115
1941-835
Total-950

T-34/76 Model 41
1941-3,014
1942-6,277
Total-9,291

T-34/76 Model 42
1942-6,276
1943-7,765
Total-14,041

T-34/76 Model 43
1943-7,765
1944-2,995
Total-10,760

T-34/76 all Models
Total-35,042

T-34/85 Models M1943, M1944, M1947, T-34/85M, Type 58
1943-1969?
Sources differ wildly-54,000-75,000

T-34 Totals all models
89,000-110,000
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Posted on September 24, 2009 05:45 pm
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found it. it's Steven Zaloga who writes 84.070 of all types including post-war and foreign production:
35.120 T-34/76
48.950 T-34/85

however, 13.170 assault guns were also build on the T-34 chasis, raising the grand total to 97.240 vehicles. i guess this is where the variation comes from, as some counted only the "tanks" and others added the assault guns too.
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QUOTE (dead-cat @ September 24, 2009 05:45 pm)
found it. it's Steven Zaloga who writes 84.070 of all types including post-war and foreign production:
35.120 T-34/76
48.950 T-34/85

however, 13.170 assault guns were also build on the T-34 chasis, raising the grand total to 97.240 vehicles. i guess this is where the variation comes from, as some counted only the "tanks" and others added the assault guns too.

I also have both osprey books on the T-34, and don't doubt you on that! However there are a great many sources on the T-34 and tend differ as already said. For Example Janes pocket guide to ww2 armor states 110,000 of all T-34 tank models!
I also wonder if Steve Zaloga counted Polish, Czech, Yugoslavian and Chinese production! Also some people count rebuilds and upgrades as new tanks, and local upgrades where done for example in Cuba, Eygpt, Syria, Vietnam and Yugoslavia! to name a few! But none this changes the facts I already stated the T-34 is second most numerous tank in history, has been in service 69+ years, turned the tide in the east, where WW2 was decided, and has been countless other wars such as Korea, Vietnam,Sino-Vietnam, Middle East Wars, etc.................

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I also wonder if Steve Zaloga counted Polish, Czech, Yugoslavian and Chinese production!

he said he did. he explicitely mentioned "foreign production". haven't seen anything on rebuilds though.
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