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What was the best fighter of World War 2?
1. Supermarine Spitfire [ 5 ]  [15.62%]
2. Hawker Hurricane [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
3. Messerschmitt Bf-109 [ 10 ]  [31.25%]
4. Focke-Wulf Fw-190 [ 6 ]  [18.75%]
5. Macchi MC.205 Veltro [ 1 ]  [3.12%]
6. Mitsubishi A6M5 Zero [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
7. IAR-80/81 [ 1 ]  [3.12%]
8. North American P-51 Mustang [ 6 ]  [18.75%]
9. Grumman F-6F Hellcat [ 1 ]  [3.12%]
10. Other [ 2 ]  [6.25%]
Total Votes: 32
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Radub
Posted on February 19, 2011 10:26 am
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QUOTE (Agarici @ February 19, 2011 01:03 am)
An A-H empire in XVI century? No way! I guess it is another +1 beer and several posts to convince you of that. :D

:roll: Yes, that was a slip. Apologies. Dead-cat already pointed that out before you, but if you feel the need to "slap" me, go ahead.

I am sure that if we took the time to look in the long past, we could find long lists of Saxon, Hungarian, Turkish, Tatar, Bulgarian, Polish, whatever, people that committed crimes and were punished in what we call today "Romania". Would you be so generous as to call them "part of Romania" as well? Or shall we pick only the people that we can "admire" for something?
Never mind Garibaldi... Denes asked you a very direct question that you conveniently skirted around. Miklos Horty MUST be Romanian based on your "logic". He was born in Baia Mare in "Romania". Why don't you open an exhibition about the great achievements of this great "Romanian" and his great contributions to the nation?

Trust me, it is safer to avoid using others to prop your own self-esteem simply because for every "good guy" there are thousands of "bad guys".

I am out of this off-topic discussion and I will return only when we are talking about aircraft.

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Agarici
Posted on February 19, 2011 12:27 pm
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QUOTE (Radub @ February 19, 2011 10:26 am)
QUOTE (Agarici @ February 19, 2011 01:03 am)
An A-H empire in XVI century? No way! I guess it is another +1 beer and several posts to convince you of that.  :D

:roll: Yes, that was a slip. Apologies. Dead-cat already pointed that out before you, but if you feel the need to "slap" me, go ahead.

I am sure that if we took the time to look in the long past, we could find long lists of Saxon, Hungarian, Turkish, Tatar, Bulgarian, Polish, whatever, people that committed crimes and were punished in what we call today "Romania". Would you be so generous as to call them "part of Romania" as well? Or shall we pick only the people that we can "admire" for something?
Never mind Garibaldi... Denes asked you a very direct question that you conveniently skirted around. Miklos Horty MUST be Romanian based on your "logic". He was born in Baia Mare in "Romania". Why don't you open an exhibition about the great achievements of this great "Romanian" and his great contributions to the nation?

Trust me, it is safer to avoid using others to prop your own self-esteem simply because for every "good guy" there are thousands of "bad guys".

I am out of this off-topic discussion and I will return only when we are talking about aircraft.

Radu


I could have bet you would like to have the final word on that. :D Please consider it done.

A final specification: you forget that the history itself is making a selection, separating the “rascals” from the “heroes”, since it is not (nor could it be) a strict natural science like, say, the physics or the geology. And the culture (as in multi-cultural) is rather concerned with the bright minds then with the unknown illiterates. The visibility and notoriety are, fortunately or not, concepts central to the history and the culture.

As for the term “multiculturalism” in itself, please do not answer me, but do a search for its meanings, which seem to (obstinately) escape you. It was not invented nor defined by me, please take my word for it. :P Nor is it the product of my "poor" logic only, since it's the main focus of some academic disciplines taught in several universities - it would be a pity to ignore that. Perhaps then you would understand why we cannot/should not consider M. Horthy as an "internal" part of the Romanian culture/history/past. Because the fact that he had an impact (and not a negligible one) on the Romanian history is, I think, obvious.

My best wishes, see you around here
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Radub
Posted on February 19, 2011 03:48 pm
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Yeah... Right!
Miklos Horthy...Romanian or not?
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Posted on August 14, 2011 04:25 am
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I voted for the Supermarine Spitfire, I have loved Spitfire sense I was a kid! :) In my opinion the Spitfire is the greatest fighter of "All time"! Being beautiful, fast, agile, and packing a heavy punch!
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Ferdinand
Posted on August 14, 2011 10:30 am
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BF-109 pilots had top numbers victories.
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Florin
Posted on August 14, 2011 04:23 pm
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QUOTE (Dénes @ September 23, 2009 12:36 am)
Every aircraft is as good as the pilot who flies it.
I did not vote.

Gen. Dénes

The life or the airplane pilot is within the limits set by the design approach of the engineering team, and sometimes by the limitations of the economic power of his country.

If his country could not afford to install six machine guns per plane, but only two or four, that left the pilot fighting one handed.
If the designer did not provide a big fuel tank, the pilot had no choice but to turn his plane and to land - or to drop out.
If the fuel tank was not provided with a self sealing rubber layer, the pilot was in a flying bomb.
If the plane was armored and sturdy, it could take more than 250 direct hits and still not going down.
If the engine was air-cooled, it could sustain more hits and still function, compared with a water cooled engine.

I think the pilot really mattered when an inferior plane had to face a better one. Or when lesser numbers had to face more opponents. And most important, when facing unpredictable unique situations. Like Saburo Sakai, who needed to fly five hours back to Rabaul, after an airplane bullet scratched his head and the blood spill left him half-blinded.

I do not remember to vote, either.
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Posted on November 28, 2011 01:02 pm
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I was watching Discovery about Hell Cat and i realized that much of its power was not revealed. It is tactically one of best fighter plane according to me. I would go with Hell Cat.
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