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Claudiu1988
Posted: June 18, 2008 06:22 pm
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QUOTE (b737 @ June 18, 2008 05:42 pm)
It seems to be the badge(copy) from the 2-nd Bombardment Flotilla,before they have recived the Aeronautical Virtue Order!

Flotila II Bombardament - 2nd Bomber Flotilla

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Source: Romanian Air Force Badges by George-Paul Sandachi

I don't understand, do you say it's a copy. Mine it's missing the Aeronautical Virtue Order. It's an original piece I have it from a frined whose uncle was an airforce mecanic in ww2.
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Posted: June 19, 2008 09:30 am
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Sorry,but from my point of wiew it is a copy! Maybe an old one but it is a copy! The leafs and the wreath are not clear,the manufacturing is rude and the needle is atypical for a regimental badge!
Don't forget that the regimental badges(as i know) have been awarded to officers ! Your friend's uncle was a mechanic that means ... there is a 90% probability that he was not an officer(ask your friend)!
It is possible that the members of this regiment/unit, have made copies from the original badge for themselves.
You can compare the dimensions from your badge with an original one, for example with the badge from the Aeronautical or Military Museum in Bucharest! You can try to contact them , maybe they can help you.
It would be interesting to know their opinion.

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Posted: June 19, 2008 12:30 pm
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QUOTE (b737 @ June 19, 2008 09:30 am)
Sorry,but from my point of wiew it is a copy! Maybe an old one but it is a copy! The leafs and the wreath are not clear,the manufacturing is rude and the needle is atypical for a regimental badge!
Don't forget that the regimental badges(as i know) have been awarded to officers ! Your friend's uncle was a mechanic that means ... there is a 90% probability that he was not an officer(ask your friend)!
It is possible that the members of this regiment/unit, have made copies from the original badge for themselves.
You can compare the dimensions from your badge with an original one, for example with the badge from the Aeronautical or Military Museum in Bucharest! You can try to contact them , maybe they can help you.
It would be interesting to know their opinion.

I understand, I have sent an email to the MMN but the email comes back, do you know an other email address beside directoru@muzeulmilitar.ro because this one doesn't work.
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Posted: June 19, 2008 01:12 pm
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The correct email address is director@.... not directoru@....
Here are the contact informations:
http://www.muzeulmilitar.ro/contact/contact.html
http://www.roaf.ro/ro/muzeu.php

You can try also to call them.
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Posted: June 19, 2008 05:01 pm
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QUOTE (b737 @ June 18, 2008 05:42 pm)
It seems to be the badge(copy) from the 2-nd Bombardment Flotilla,before they have recived the Aeronautical Virtue Order!

Flotila II Bombardament - 2nd Bomber Flotilla

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Source: Romanian Air Force Badges by George-Paul Sandachi

I do not beleive that this badge is a copy. I have several WW2 Air Force badges of the same construction, sand cast. They also have the same pins with the rib design on them. All show wear and age to them and are of the period. I beleive that they were crudely made out in the field using the sand cast method of making molds and from metals found from melting down bullits and coins. Silver, nickle, brass and copper. Some of my badges were also veteran aquired. If they did not have the age, wear and provinance history of were and from whom they were aquired from, I too would say that they were fake badges. Last year, I came across a General Staff Acadamy badge that was also sand cast and made out in the field during WW2. Collectors are too use to seeing quality pieces made from jewlers and from the National Mint that they often look at cruder war time made pieces as being fake.
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Posted: June 19, 2008 05:46 pm
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QUOTE (REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR @ June 19, 2008 05:01 pm)
QUOTE (b737 @ June 18, 2008 05:42 pm)
It seems to be the badge(copy) from the 2-nd Bombardment Flotilla,before they have recived the Aeronautical Virtue Order!

Flotila II Bombardament - 2nd Bomber Flotilla

(IMG:http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/6040/fiib1ik.jpg)
Source: Romanian Air Force Badges by George-Paul Sandachi

I do not beleive that this badge is a copy. I have several WW2 Air Force badges of the same construction, sand cast. They also have the same pins with the rib design on them. All show wear and age to them and are of the period. I beleive that they were crudely made out in the field using the sand cast method of making molds and from metals found from melting down bullits and coins. Silver, nickle, brass and copper. Some of my badges were also veteran aquired. If they did not have the age, wear and provinance history of were and from whom they were aquired from, I too would say that they were fake badges. Last year, I came across a General Staff Acadamy badge that was also sand cast and made out in the field during WW2. Collectors are too use to seeing quality pieces made from jewlers and from the National Mint that they often look at cruder war time made pieces as being fake.

Thanks for the help.
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Posted: June 19, 2008 08:07 pm
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@ claudiu1988 : In your opinion , "help" means only positive critique??
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Posted: June 19, 2008 08:24 pm
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QUOTE (b737 @ June 19, 2008 08:07 pm)
@ claudiu1988 : In your opinion , "help" means only positive critique??

No not at all, but I have to thank you because you helped me, I didn't know nothing about the badge but with your help I learned a lot. I also sent a message to the aircraft museum as you mentioned to get more info. What do you want me to say???? :unsure:
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Posted: June 19, 2008 08:52 pm
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I know that it is a bad feeling if somebody tells you that your badge is a copy!
In our activity as collectors we must face very often such situations.I think that the most of us have bought more than once a fake!
I had the feeling that you wanted to here only positeve feedback regarding your badge.
No offence!
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Posted: June 19, 2008 09:10 pm
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QUOTE (b737 @ June 19, 2008 08:52 pm)
I know that it is a bad feeling if somebody tells you that your badge is a copy!
In our activity as collectors we must face very often such situations.I think that the most of us have bought more than once a fake!
I had the feeling that you wanted to here only positeve feedback regarding your badge.
No offence!

No problem, I know that feeling :P I tried it for several times. :lol:
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Posted: September 02, 2008 06:30 pm
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A new find for me. This is a badge I have not seen before.
2nd Obuziere Munte Artillery Regiment from Gherla, formed 1.7.1923 and disbanded in 1937.

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Posted: September 02, 2008 06:31 pm
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Great looking badge!
Thanks for sharing.
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Posted: December 07, 2008 12:00 pm
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romanian or franch? authentic or replic? thank you!
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Posted: December 07, 2008 09:37 pm
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QUOTE (horia @ December 07, 2008 12:00 pm)
romanian or franch? authentic or replic? thank you!
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Looks like a cast copy.
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Posted: December 07, 2008 10:25 pm
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the original badges are also cast.
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