Strike Lance 2009

Yep! That's why you aren't an officer of Romanian Army! And that's why you left Romania...
Now I believed the stereotype of the not-so-wise American armymen; isn't it so?
Passion is something I can understand, but the cultural differences are too big between him and the Romanian "reception committee".
I haven't read anything about his oppinion regading the MiG's. How comes? Was that secret?

Having a degree doesn't mean he knows much (if anything) about a little country called Romania. Those people were not there to take part in a conference on Romania's place in aviation history. They were shown a video probably that presented to them the country they were in. If I had something to do with that base's public relations office I would have contacted a local tourism agency and arranged a tour of the city too if the schedule would have permitted it.

And this makes true the lies invented by the communists... how?
Face it! Vuia was not the first man to fly and Coanda did not makle the first jet engine! This not lack of patriotism, it is a historic fact.
Radu

Henri Coanda's Coanda-1910 was a revolutionary aircraft in many ways. First and foremost, it is now being recognized as the first air-reactive engine (jet) aircraft, making its first and only flight October, 1910. Henri's aircraft was the first to have no propeller. This was 30 years prior to Heinkle, Campini, and Whittle who have been considered the 'fathers' of jet flight.

http://www.allstar.fiu.edu/aero/coanda.htm#Coanda-1910

1. they was delight for weather, for the flight (too much) space vertical/horizontal. In England, fog, and narrow fligh lane, a lot of restriction.
2. my subjectiv opinion, the pilots (mans and one woman) are not very tall. Our pilots are, comparatively, tall.
3. the fight was love all. Really not. Our, fighters; their, bomb-fighter. Our, two eyes; their, four eyes. Min. speed favorable to F-15. The americans use, most of time, a single attack way: down yo-yo turn. Very accurate and efficient. I eaves pilot stories. In "free view" fight, Mig-21 is very good. Small and quick in turn, but the radar, kill him. Work in cockpit is hard for Mig.
4. finishing for F-15 is better as Mig-21. The paint.......... . But I am still in love with Mig-21 for good and all.
5. very strict rules in relationship with "other peoples"
6. the most successful romanian trump: "sarmalele".
7. now, in romanian air force the flight parameters are in knots, feets, etc.....like in civil flight. We leave the metric system ? Strange. Very strange. I am not proud for this.

No doubt it was a revolutionary concept. However, it failed. The aircraft caught fire on the first attempted flight and Coanda abandoned the idea. Proof of the fact that a functioning jet engine was not successfully built until the 30s is the fact that the first jet plane flew SUCCESSFULLY in 1939. There were NO other successful jet planes until then. Had he invented the jet plane in 1910, World War I would have been fought by jet planes. Why would the combatants ignore such a powerful device were it successful? Such lies defy both logic as well as historical fact.

Coanda was an aviation genius, had immense merits and deserves far more praise for his successes. I admire him enough without the need to pervert facts.

That text that you quoted was lifted from this page: http://www.turbosquid.com/FullPreview/Index.cfm/ID/372139 Look carefully at the pictures! If you had any knowledge of aviation and propulsion systems you would notice very quickly that the powerplant is actually a 4 piston internal combustion engine turning a ducted fan. The powerplant is a piston engine not the turbine. That is not a jet engine, it is a ducted fan.

Here is a ducted fan: http://www.rc-airplane-advisor.com/electric-ducted-fan.jpg
Here is a jet: http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/propu.../jet-engine.jpg

Radu

Radub, I really don't get what your problem is. USAF airmen were shown, by the fellow Romanian aviators and by the representative of the Romania air force, a movie referring to some well established but less known facts about the history of Romanian aviation. No one said that Vuia was the first men ever to fly, and the essential note of having flown for the first time a self-propelled flying machine was made. Also, Coanda is generally acknowledged for being the pioneer of turboreaction engines for the airplanes; the fact that you don’t want to call that “jet flying” is a completely different matter.

Starting from here, I fail to see the purpose of your digressions (not to say babbling) about communism, „Ştefan Gheorghiu”-type propaganda and the true but overused fact that they (the Romanian inventors) had to go abroad in order to be able to apply their ideas. I think this self-deconstructivist (Lucian Boia-like) view of history, as true as it might be regarding certain aspects, does (and should) not play any part in a (short) introductory movie describing a country about which the US pilots knew nothing.

A final (real) story about “insulting the intelligence” of the American average people - with a college degree, in our case. I think no American would feel offended if I’m going to say that their view and knowledge of the world is departed between two big (and sometimes completely separate) spheres - “us” (US) and the rest of the world. A certain mid-western, otherwise intelligent, college graduated and Ma. American student was convinced that Austria was/is the capital city of Australia - he even write it down on a board. So, you might well have a hard time trying to “insult” common American intelligence/knowledge with something completely extraneous to US or their particular special interests.

Perhaps we should use our time/energy for some more constructive discussions.

This post has been edited by Agarici on May 06, 2009 10:03 pm

No, it was not lifted from there, I gave you the link from where it was lifted.

The site I used is a .edu site that also gave the references behind its assertions:

Who was the parent of reactive aviation?, American Aviation, December 5, 1955

Aubrey, Rene: He Flew In 1910, Flying, September 1956

Bie, Andre: The first turbo-propulsed airplane, Aviation Magaxine, No. 160, 1955

Green and Cross: The Jet Aircraft of the World, London, 1955

Encarta Encyclopedia, Microsoft, 1997

That shouldn't stop Coanda's invention from being appreciated and noted as being a first, a breakthrough. The French take credit for launching the first submarine propelled by mechanical power despite the fact that it had problems and was eventually ignored by the French navy.


This post has been edited by Imperialist on May 07, 2009 07:31 am

Agarici and Imperialist, my "problem" is that we are the laughing stock of the world and we do that to ourselves.
Digression over!
Radu

I disagree. We are special just as every other nation in this world. We can look at the glass half full or half empty. In my opinion we love to hate ourselves so most of the time we denigrate ourselves and our past while importing the worst trends from abroad. But I should stop the digression. Over from here too.

I know something Romanians can be proud off. First of all I was impressed by the great hospitality I was met with by the people of Romania (while I toured all their country in early 90-ies). It might me realize that what I, from a western european country had always thought hospitality was, was nothing compared with how almost any Romanian offered me shelter, a bed, a place at their table, their time and friendship, help and assistance....
Hostility I only met from some officials, some military or other services.......
Also I enjoyed most if not all of the products Romanian agriculture and cuisine had to offer, though I remember beer was not easy to get those days if you had no friends working at some beer factory.
When the Romanian students had taken over the Stefan Gheorghiu campus and buildings from some economical, party university (somewhere near todays Plaza Romania) shortly after revolution we organised a party in the directors room at the highest floor of the building. with no beer or wine available we mixed our drinks ourselves.
We had some sort of strange glasses which reminded me of old mustard or jam glasses, put a lot of sugar in it, added pressed citron/lemon and than poured fluids into it according personal taste. One fluid was 100% water, other fluid was 100% ethanol. I won t forget that party.......

to all my old an new friends in Romania
cheers
Jeroen

This post has been edited by Jeroen on May 16, 2009 09:07 pm