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> lupta intre miraslau si aiud (romani si horty trup
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Posted: January 27, 2009 04:56 am
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gasit in padure(de localnici)daca poate da cineva relatii?
please ghive me any clu about this fhight romanian trup and horty trups (turan),intre 5-11 sep 1944
Legend said horty trups came from miraslau and romanian trops made an ambus in woods kill them all(about 60 people motorized)????
but specific place???? miraslau -pagida -ciumbrud -aiud ????

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Posted: January 27, 2009 06:38 am
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Just one question to Adrianus.
If you call the Hungarian soldiers "horty" (sic!) troops, then why don't you call the Rumanian soldiers "michael", or even better "hohenzollern" troops? :lol:

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  Posted: January 27, 2009 09:47 am
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Ar Miraslau, on the right side of the road Cluj-Napoca - Alba Iulia is a military cemetery, but I dont know from which war. It is probably, as it looks, from ww2. When I'll have time, I'll stop to this military cemetery to identify the war belonging.

In various historical writings regarding ww2, foreigner or romanian, german soldiers are often called "hitlerist" , "fascist" or "nazi" soldiers, various from author to author. In the same manner, the japanese army in ww2 is called "imperial" army.

It is never found romanian army from ww2 as "michaelist" or "hohenzollernist" army.
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Posted: January 27, 2009 10:54 am
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Bogdan, when referring to the Hungarian army of WW2, the term "horthyst", or even "hortist", is used exclusively by authors/publications reflecting the national/communist point of view. Same with the "nazi", "fascist", or even "hitlerite" labels placed on the German army.
The usage of all these derogatory terms denotes clear bias against the army the author/publication refers to.

See, for example, the term "fascist guns" painted by the Soviet defenders of Odessa on the Rumanian cannon captured at Grigorevka in Sept. 1941 (check out the recent thread started by Dragos). Would you like the Rumanian army (up to Aug. 1944) be called a "fascist" army?

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P.S. Obviously, I coined the terms "michael", or "hohenzollern" troops, to show how ironic such labels are. I even put an LOL sign at the end, to avoid any confusion. Apparently, I did not succeed... <_<
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Posted: January 27, 2009 12:56 pm
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Well, Denes, if this helps, I really amused myself w/ your remarks. Although it would have been mor3e appropriate to say "michaelite", right? :D
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Posted: January 27, 2009 02:04 pm
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MMM, there's no need to pour gas on the fire.
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Posted: January 27, 2009 03:29 pm
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Denes sometimes you make a stallion, from a mosquito. I have doubdts about the equivalent in english but i'm sure you understand...

I saw even on Discovery this... hortysts, but of course you will have better arguments.

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Well, Discovery Channel is sometimes biased, what can I say...
However, I still believe Denes was right - for example, the Romanian Army should have different names, pre-23.08 and after? How about in WW1, then? We had three different stages (at least): neutral, at war w/ Central Powers, again neutral, again at war, then at war w/ Hungary. Thus two times neutral, two times at war w/ all Central Powers and once at war w/ Hungary. Should we have used three different names for the army? :roll:

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Posted: January 27, 2009 03:48 pm
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"discovery channel" is hardly the ultimate authority on anything.

actually the hint was to use the proper designation, without Göbbels- (or Ilya Ehrenburg-) like terminology.

while it might sound like fun at first, if i continously refered to the french army as "crapauds" or "bloody frogs" in a napoleonic forum, sooner or later there will be a large crowd to take offence.
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Posted: January 27, 2009 05:09 pm
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ok,sory about cinic remarck ,but i take this from village people(horty Trups).
i ask all of u(very dyscovery chanel ,have u been there ,in the woods to know?).
i ask olnly if u know about this fight(give me break about all u remarks,how to call romanians trups).
Can u tell me some serios stuf
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Posted: January 27, 2009 06:00 pm
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Sorry. I couldn't find anything specific regarding the incident you mentioned.

All I could find was general information regarding the Romanian troops in that area. The Romanian 6th Territorial Corps had deployed on 5 September in that sector an infantry regiment and the artillery of the 20th Infantry-training Division and the "Cluj" Fixed Territorial Battalion. These were fresh recruits (the training unit) and old men (the fixed battalion) On 6 September, troops from the 18th Infantry-training Division replaced them.
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QUOTE (dead-cat @ January 27, 2009 09:48 pm)
actually the hint was to use the proper designation, without Göbbels- (or Ilya Ehrenburg-) like terminology.

My thoughts, exactly.
Case closed from my side.

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Posted: January 27, 2009 07:31 pm
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tanks very much.
but still nobody knows any specific clu :ph34r:
in this woods i fonund a carabin flint(wathever)with metal detector is full of metal (but i dont have time 4 this
please mor story about this fight???????
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just being curoius, is is still legal to go scavenging battlefields with metal detectors?
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Posted: January 27, 2009 07:57 pm
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I will stop sometime in next weeks to the military cemetery at Miraslau, in the probability that there are burried hungarian soldiers, too. There are military cemeteries in Romania were are burried soldiers from other armies.

As far as I know, in Romania metal detectors owned by particular persons have to be declared and registered at police, and the detection is forbiden in declared archeological sites and reservations.
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