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Posted: February 01, 2008 08:36 pm
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QUOTE (dead-cat @ February 01, 2008 07:38 pm)
keep wondering.
those are baloons. allied barrage baloons.

Oh... Yes... You are right. How could I forget?...
The same things were used in Leningrad and Moscow. But still Leningrad was heavily bombed.

But the question remains - what happened to all-mighty Luftwaffe? I assume the Nazis just ran out of airplanes....


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This was undoubtedly the most tragic period in the history of the city, a period full of suffering and heroism. For everyone who lives in St. Petersburg the Blokada (the Siege) of Leningrad is an important part of the city's heritage and a painful memory for the population's older generations.

Less than two and a half months after the Soviet Union was attacked by Nazi Germany, German troops were already approaching Leningrad. The Red Army was outflanked and on September 8 1941 the Germans had fully encircled Leningrad and the siege began. The siege lasted for a total of 900 days, from September 8 1941 until January 27 1944.

http://www.saint-petersburg.com/history/siege.asp

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http://www.schicklerart.com/auto_exh/Leningrad

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Posted: February 01, 2008 09:16 pm
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I think those are meteorogical baloons.
They wanted to know if the weather will be good enought for a swimm.

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Posted: February 01, 2008 09:47 pm
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Sorry, but what is the logical meaning of this thread ?

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Posted: February 01, 2008 09:53 pm
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The same things were used in Leningrad and Moscow. But still Leningrad was heavily bombed.


Well Leningrad had one slight disadvantage it was permanently fixed in to its position, :P whereas the ships off Normandy, France, which normally sailed in convoy or line astern, were grouped about the landing points and later on to access to the Mulberry Harbours for unloading the use of balloons kept the German FW190 and JU-88 up high and prevented low level strafing and bombing attacks.

The German Luftwaffe was stretched very thin on the ground and after some early success lost their air superiority on the ground, they also had to maintain attempts to hit the Allied Bomber Forces on their way to pound Germany at the same time, it all became a matter of priority.

Kevin in Deva. :roll:

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Posted: February 01, 2008 10:03 pm
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I think I must repeat myself - what is the point that you must prove in this thread ? I am asking you guys, since you are the ones who are struggling to prove something.

Also, to be more on topic. In 1944 - the Germans indeed were in a tight spot on the Eastern Front. But - 80 % of the forces to be engaged there - impossible.

To the author of the thread - one suggestion only:

Instead of reading books, consulting web-sites, and other non-official sources - I suggest going through some official reports, like NARA, German Archives, etc.
If you can't afford the resources to do this, try Tessin, or lexikon der Wehrmacht. With a little logic, you will see my point.

BTW - do you know the difference between an Ersatz and an Feldtruppen ? If you do, you will realize what my point is.

End of discution from my part.

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Posted: February 01, 2008 11:06 pm
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QUOTE (New Connaught Ranger @ February 01, 2008 11:01 pm)
Australia, Belgium, Czechoslovakia, Free-France, Greece, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway and Poland also fought as well.

Actually Czechoslovakia can not be. Maybe you wanted to say Slovakian troops, that served as auxiliaries for Wehrmacht manning the Atlantic Wall.
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Posted: February 01, 2008 11:33 pm
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QUOTE (Alexei2102 @ February 02, 2008 12:47 am)
Sorry, but what is the logical meaning of this thread ?

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The point of this thread is that the brave Russian soldier fought the evil Fascists and saved the Europe (well, the Eastern part of it) alone, the contribution of Anglo-Americans (which in the end were found to be imperialistic blood-thirsty warmongers) being trivial. We all must bow in face of the heroism and dedication of the Russian peasant-worker that showed once more that whoever dares to cross their ancestral pastures would face the wrath of Mother Russia. :roll:
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Posted: February 01, 2008 11:59 pm
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QUOTE (New Governor Of Alaska @ February 01, 2008 09:36 pm)
Oh... Yes... You are right. How could I forget?...

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i have no idea.
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The same things were used in Leningrad and Moscow. But still Leningrad was heavily bombed.

worse baloons? blame it on soviet engineering.
i'm not entirely serious.
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But the question remains -  what happened to all-mighty Luftwaffe? I assume the Nazis just ran out of airplanes...

defence of the Reich. it absorbed more aircraft than the EF. and it was the deadlier theatre. for both sides.
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Posted: February 02, 2008 12:05 am
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QUOTE (Alexei2102 @ February 02, 2008 01:03 am)
I think I must repeat myself - what is the point that you must prove in this thread ?

At a second thought, I think the point of this thread is to go the Iron Maiden gig in Bucharest this August !

Iron Maiden - "The Longest Day"

In the gloom the gathering storm abates
In the ships gimlet eyes await
The call to arms to hammer at the gates
To blow them wide throw evil to its fate

All summers long the drills to build the machine
To turn man from flesh and blood to steel
From paper soldiers to bodies on the beach
From summer sends to Armageddon's reach

Overlord your master not your god
The enemy coast dawning grey with scud
These wretched souls puking shaking fear
To take a bullet for those who send them here

The world's all right the cliffs erupt in flame
No escape remorseless shrapnel rains
Drowning men no chance for a warrior's fate
A choking death enter hell's gates

Sliding we go only fear on our side
To the edge of the wire
And we rush with the tide
Oh the water is red
With the blood of the dead
But I'm still alive pray to God I survive

How long on this longest day
'Till we finally make it through
How long on this longest day
'Till we finally make it through

The rising dead faces bloated torn
They are relieved the living wait their turn
Your number's up the bullet's got your name
You still go on to hell and back again

Valhalla waits Valkyries rise and fall
The warrior tombs lie open for us all
A ghostly hand reaches through the wall
Blood and sand we will prevail

Sliding we go only fear on our side
To the edge of the wire
And we rush with the tide
Oh the water is red
With the blood of the dead
But I'm still alive pray to God I survive

How long on this longest day
'Till we finally make it through
How long on this longest day
'Till we finally make it through

How long on this longest day
'Till we finally make it through
How long on this longest day
'Till we finally make it through

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Posted: February 02, 2008 12:10 am
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while we are at it:

Mordant wall of smoke, barrels glow, shot their load
Gunfire takes your breath, balls of lead causing death
Thunderstorm breaks loose, the slaughter's son, life's on the loose
Sounding the attack, soldiers fall, back to back

The roaring horde is near, pounding hooves, mortal fear
The soldiers bravely stand, they try hard to defend

Till the end!

Riding the attack
Yelling screams of the fallen
Thunder, blood and pain
Madness reigns, hell is calling now

Thunder shakes the ground, a deadly force, pound by pound
Frightened, nerves are blank, horseman ride, hit the flank
Cold sweat down their neck, death will ride one last attack
Fearsome battle cry, flashing guns, soldiers die

Tell me why!

Horror, death and pain, the devil smiles, so what's the gain?
Stretching out his claw to feed his laughing greedy jaw


"The Hussar" by Running Wild
not there at D-Day tho.
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Posted: February 02, 2008 01:01 am
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QUOTE (New Connaught Ranger @ February 01, 2008 08:01 pm)
Many countries were involved in D-Day. The three main nations were Britain, who attacked code named Gold and Sword beaches.

The United States who attacked Utah and Omaha beaches.

And Canada who attacked Juno Beach.

Also their were units fighting for the free French.

Soldiers from the following were involved as well on D-Day:

Australia, Belgium, Czechoslovakia, Free-France, Greece, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway and Poland also fought as well.

Link to D-Day casualty figures:

http://warchronicle.com/numbers/WWII/ddaycasualtyest.htm


Where did you find such information, New Connaught Ranger?

The site which you linked to says:
The task of compiling casualty figures for the landing Normandy ought to be easy; but it is in fact impossible. Of the three countries involved in the operation, only Canada, it appears, has prepared post-war casualty statistics on the basis of the records of individual soldiers of the units concerned.
http://warchronicle.com/numbers/WWII/ddaycasualtyest.htm

Only three contries.
Where does it say that Poland, Greece, New Zealand and Czechoslovakia took part in D-Day?

By the way, 8.443 casualties of such operation is nothing. Does it say anywhere how did they die?


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stupid thread
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Where does it say that Poland, Greece, New Zealand and Czechoslovakia took part in D-Day?


These troops were part of the Allied Military Forces and sailed with the Allied Invasion Force or flew with the Polish, Czech, and Free French Components of the R.A.F. on D-Day

there also being the designation as well for the army:

FREE POLISH ARMY.*

FREE FRENCH.*

FREE CZECHOSLOVAKIAN FORCES*

ROYAL HELANIC FORCES (GREECE)*

NEW ZEALAND Troops were part of the British Commonwealth, as were the Canadians.

* All recruited from people who had managed to escape the Nazi invasion of their countries.

Kevin in Deva. :D
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Posted: February 02, 2008 08:46 am
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QUOTE (New Connaught Ranger @ February 02, 2008 10:34 am)
* All recruited from people who had managed to escape the Nazi invasion of their countries.

Kevin in Deva. :D

In the case of Poland, Nazi and Soviet invasions.

NGoA,

Consider this a final warning: if you continue this thread by asking questions for which the answer can easily be found by googleing (and you seem to be able to manage that very well), it will be closed.
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Posted: February 02, 2008 11:09 am
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:lol:
http://www.cartula.ro/forum/index.php?act=...e=post&id=11092
I do not know the source, but it is going around on the internet.
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