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Posted: September 05, 2007 05:03 pm
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Against hungarian Bela Kuhn communist army, Romanian army started an offensive in April 1919.
The base from were Romanian army started the offensive which eventually ended at Budapest was in Halmagiu, Arad county.
Here is the map with the romanian and hungarian position in the eve of the battle and the movement of romanian forces.

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photo courtesy to mr. N. Darastean


Any details regarding the romanian offensive are wellcome.

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Posted: September 06, 2007 03:17 am
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The positions from Dealul Mare where took place the fight in April 1919 against hungarian communist forces. They tried to stop romanian troops entering Bihor county.
This trench is located exactly at the limits of Arad and Bihor county, altitude 669 m above sea level.
The lenght of the trench is aprox. 150 meters.
Deep (nowadays) about 1 meter.
Wide aprox. 1.5 meters.

(IMG:http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1711/sant1sw9.jpg)

(IMG:http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4513/sant2yr3.jpg)

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Posted: October 02, 2007 07:29 pm
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Memories of a eyewitness at the romanian offensive from April 1919 against Bela Kun hungarian communist army.
Describe also the activity from the trenches represented in my photos above.

A little sample from the memories, in romanian in original:
În ziua întâia a mobilizarii toata lumea s-a prezentat sub drapel cu echipament, numai arme trebuia sa li se deie. Nu s-a înregistrat nici o cerere de dispensa. Dar s-au întâmplat cazuri, ca au venit mamele plângând, sa li se primeasca si al doilea, sau al treilea fecior, ca doar n-or ramânea de rusinea satului. Bietele femei! Le-am luat barbatul, le-am luat feciorul, unul sau mai multi. Le-am luat calul, cu care Motul îsi cara bucatele din tara, le-am luat si hainele de pe pat, de pus sub sei pentru caii de la companiile de mitraliera”. Îsi aminteste si azi batrânul luptator, dr. Ioan Suciu, însarcinatul cu organizarea Corpului Vol. Horia.

English translation:
"In the first day of the mobilisation everybody went under the colours with their own equipment, only the weapons was needed to be given. Not even a single request was registered from people to be let to go back home. In contrary, there it were cases when the mothers came, with tears in their eyes, to ask that their second or even the third son of them to be taken to the army, because they didnt wanted to be the shame of the village in case that they were left outside the fight. Poor women! We took their husbands, we took their son, one or even more than one. We took their horses, with whom the Motz carries his food from the country, we took their bed clothes to be put on the horses that carried the machineguns." Remembers dr. Ioan Suciu, in charge with the raise of "Horia" Volunteer Corp.


http://www.darnick.com/halmagiu/ofensiva.html

Courtesy to volunteer activity of mr. N. Darastean and his volunteer co-workers.

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Posted: October 14, 2007 05:46 pm
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First transylvanian romanian officers of romanian army. Is about the 90th infantry Regiment of Sibiu. They fight against hungarian communists in 1919...

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Posted: December 05, 2007 07:49 pm
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In Transilvania, the Romanian regular army was helped by several regiments of both volunteer and people drafted by the Consiliul Dirigent (local government of Transilvania, before reunion with the Kingdom of Romania). Could anyone provide info on names of these regiments, names and position of their commanders and to which Romanian divisions and regiments have they been attached ? Did they cross the Hungarian border and go to Budapest and west of Budapest as well ? Apart from them, there were the former Transilvanian POWs coming from Russia/Ukraine, led by colonel Marcel Olteanu. Were they unified as Transilvanians or fought on their own (like the Americans led by Pershing, they did not want to fight under French or British commanders) ?
For instance, let's start with the photo with officers of the 90th regiment.
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Posted: December 05, 2007 08:14 pm
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If you manage to find this book, you can find almost all your answer from chapter no. 2.
See all content table here http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=4284
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Posted: December 05, 2007 08:31 pm
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I tried to open but it's lazy. Can you provide the book's name and its contents once more ? Thank you.
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Posted: December 07, 2007 04:55 pm
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An off topic post was split to this topic: http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=4390
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Posted: December 07, 2007 06:44 pm
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For 21 inf,

Pietre de hotar volume no. 7 is brand-new (2007), being launched the last October in Oradea by local branch of Cultul Eroilor association. Being too new, it's hard to believe you can find it everywhere. Maybe at the Bucharest Military Museum or Bucharest Cultul Eroilor HQs.
It's interesting to know in advance if it offers same info as Kiritescu and Traian Mager, or some additional, previously not known, data.
Maybe it's easier to find Mr. Dan Poinar's references (email, home address, phone) to speed up. Many thanks for info (by the way, there is a chapter there on Securitate's Pilgrims and I'm curious on its contents too).
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Posted: December 07, 2007 06:58 pm
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I dont know what Kiritescu is informing about, but for sure in Pietre de hotar there is not the same info as from Mager.

If I found the book in the my boxes :), i'll let you know and i'll check it for you.

As I remember, it was the order of batle of romanian army at the begining of the 1919 offensive, from the north flank all the way to the southern flank, and some description of the operations.
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Posted: December 10, 2007 12:29 pm
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I like the way "mother" Lenin tries to comfort his "unfortunate" child in dispair. Be brave, hold on, fortify the city. And the poor baby fled to Vienna with the country's budget (says admiral Horthy in his memoirs), needed to pay for services in the Viennese mental hospital where they treated quite well for plotting to and failing in founding the Austrian Communist Republic. Instead of a handshake, maybe Kun needed a milkshake offered by the Romanian "opinca-bearers".



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Dear Comrade Bela Kun,
Please do not worry too much and do not give way to despair. Your accusations or suspicions against Chicherin and Rakovsky have absolutely no foundation whatever. We are all working in full accord. We are aware of Hungary’s grave and dangerous situation and are doing all we can. But speedy assistance is sometimes physically impossible. Try to hold out as long as you can. Every week is of value. Build up supplies in Budapest, fortify the city. I hope you are adopting the measures I recommended to the Bavarians.[1] Warmest greetings and a firm handshake. Hold on with all your might, victory will be ours.
Yours,
Lenin
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[1] See “Message of Greetings to the Bavarian Soviet Republic” (present edition, Vol. 29, pp. 325–26).—Ed.
[2] Written in reply to a communication from Bela Kun about the serious situation of the Hungarian Soviet Republic, against which  an armed intervention had been started, and to his request for urgent aid from Soviet Russia.



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Posted: April 19, 2009 04:31 am
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Today is the celebration of liberation by romanian army, together with transylvanian volunteers, of the city of Beius, Bihor county. It is 90 years since romanian army started the offensive and liberated this city.

Tomorow is the celebration of 90 years since city of Oradea, Bihor county, was liberated by romanian army and transylvanian volunteers, in 1919. For this aniversary it will be an military parade in the center of the city, held tomorow.
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Posted: April 19, 2009 06:52 am
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QUOTE (21 inf @ April 19, 2009 10:31 am)
...90 years since city of Oradea, Bihor county, was liberated by romanian army and transylvanian volunteers, in 1919.

This issue was raised before, how can a city, where the Rumanian population represented about 10%, be considered as "liberated" by the Rumanian Army?
If politics is involved then yes, the "liberated" (or any other) label can be freely attached, but from the historical point of view it was no liberation.

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Posted: April 19, 2009 08:42 am
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For historical point of view, Bihor county, who's capital city is Oradea, was and it still is inhabited in majority by romanians. So, for this majority, it is a liberation. There is no politics in all this issue, only if one want to see it this way.
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Posted: April 19, 2009 11:05 am
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QUOTE (21 inf @ April 19, 2009 02:42 pm)
For historical point of view, Bihor county, who's capital city is Oradea...

The current Bihor County did not exist when the Rumanian forces entered the region in 1919. It was created by Rumanian authorities only later on.
Regardless of this irrelevant detail, my question (related to the city of Oradea, mentioned in your earlier post, not Bihor County) is still open.

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