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Posted: August 04, 2007 01:40 pm
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Hallo Gents :D

Maybe somebody here can help me out, I recently took pictures of a WW2 War monument here in Romania, and I am trying to understand the information it contains.

Names: All German, the is a strong German connections in this village.

Dates: of Birth & Death. circa 1942 -1945

Dates; of Birth and Year of Death in Russia as POW: circa 1945, 46, 47.

And a 3 diget number, which could be the Military Unit, but how do you find out if they served in the German or Romanian Army??

I attach the numbers here:

WORLD WAR II


38, 44, 48, 50, 53, 66, 67, 71, 78, 80, 81, 82, 83, 85, 87,

91, 95, 107?, 118, 119, 140, 143, 144, 148, 153, 156, 157, 159,

160, 168, 174, 176, 177, 180, 181, 182, 187, 193, 198

200, 201, 202, 203?, 206, 209, 213, 215, 219, 220, 221, 222, 237, 240,

255, 280? 281, 284, 286, 287, 290, 291, 292, 294

331, 336, 338, 239, 341, 343, 345, 351, 355, 358, 359,

365, 369?, 3--?, 374, 377, 400, 406, 422, 423, 424, 431, 437, 444, 448,

450, 451, 453, 460, 462, 465, 467, 470, 479, 486, 496, 498, 505, 508, 507, 50-? 7--?


? denotes a number in too poor a condition read.

Now, I know you might say why not ask a local person, but the monument in question is not in Hunedoara County and no locals were around when I stopped to take pictures in the church grounds.

Kevin in Deva :D

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Posted: August 04, 2007 04:18 pm
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Can you post a pic, please?

It is a posibility that the numbers to show the number of bodies burried in the same common grave. It is so at Marasesti Mausoleum were on the stone it is written: 500 unidentified romanian soldiers.

A pic will be usefull.

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Posted: August 05, 2007 10:25 am
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Hallo 21 inf :D

As requested, a picture, I still think it could be a Unit / Regiment number :unsure:
(IMG:http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/3871/im002892sx9.jpg)

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Posted: August 05, 2007 10:54 am
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Yes, seeing the pic, is obvious that the numbers does not represent common grave.
Maybe is the number of POW camp where those people died?
Or maybe the unit they served, but seeing other german tombstones from ww1 or ww2 in Romania, it was always marked the type of unit (infantry, artillery and others).
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Posted: August 05, 2007 03:56 pm
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QUOTE (21 inf @ August 05, 2007 10:54 am)
Yes, seeing the pic, is obvious that the numbers does not represent common grave.
Maybe is the number of POW camp where those people died?
Or maybe the unit they served, but seeing other german tombstones from ww1 or ww2 in Romania, it was always marked the type of unit (infantry, artillery and others).

Hallo 21 inf, :D

thanks for your comments but I think its not POW camp numbers running into the 500's.

With regards this type of numbering, its also on the WW1 section of this monument as well.


(IMG:http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/2866/timisoaramonpicture010ls3.jpg)

Something similar I saw on another WW1 monument in Timis county was the name and a number under pictures of the soldiers and again I suspect it refers to the Regiment or Unit.
The picture above shows the particular monument and these guys were in the Austro-Hungarian Forces of Ww1.

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Posted: August 05, 2007 05:47 pm
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Now I'm really curious about the meaning of the numbers! :D
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Posted: August 05, 2007 06:01 pm
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Stammrollenumbers from the dogtags/Soldbucher ?

Just my 2 cents.

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Posted: August 05, 2007 07:27 pm
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Hallo Alexei2102,

The numbers are too small to be from Dogtags, (which would be the same number in their Soldbucher.)

I still think its the Regiments, maybe Kepi could throw in a comment or two. :)

Kevin in Deva :D
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Posted: August 06, 2007 10:21 am
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Could they be the numbers of the graves they are buried in the church's cemetery?
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Posted: August 06, 2007 04:28 pm
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Hallo Victor, :D

I dont see all these guys (and there are 87 listed killed in WW2 and a further 36 listed as died in Russia 45 -47) being retrieved from where-ever they died to be buried in the local church graveyard.

I believe there is another monument up the road for the Romanian locals who were killed in WW1 & WW2 will stop and check the next time I am passing.

Kevin in Deva. :D
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Posted: August 11, 2007 09:47 am
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Hallo Gents :D

Here is the other Monument listing the Romanian Dead of WW1 & WW2.

(IMG:http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/376/snc10311aeq1.jpg)

(IMG:http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/7453/snc10311aanu3.jpg)
Close-up.

Kevin in Deva. :D
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