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Posted: October 25, 2006 06:48 am
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great job Wings of wrath!!! By the way, if we`re still talking about pillboxes the only ones i know are:

1) The one from Eforie Sud
Location: Actually is between Eforie Nord and Eforie sud, right near the blocks from the kids camp; the only way you can get to it is to walk to it from the beach, because access to camp is restricted to people

2)The one(s) near Carei
Location: actually i don`t know where they are because i never searched them and the guy from the museum doesn`t want to show me the map where they are( probbably because there`s sometning important and they keep it for them :lol: ) Anyway this week i`m gonna go at the useum again and again and again until he-ll show me that whicked map
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Posted: January 06, 2007 03:49 pm
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Hello 2 all.
I was reading this subject about fortifications, because i'm particularly interested about the fortified line Carol II from the western border of Romania.
Denes posted some interesting links on this subject, but unfortunatelly they offer poor info about subject.
So, if anyone can post blueprints of these pillboxes, them history, armament etc, will help me much.
In exchange, i can post photo's with pillboxes and antitanc ditch from Carol II fortified line.

(IMG:http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/7589/cazematapw1.jpg)
For the begining, the location of one of the pillboxes.

Legend:
red line: Oradea-Arad road
blue line: acces from village Nojorid to the line of pillboxes
yellow line: antitanc ditch
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Posted: July 16, 2007 09:10 am
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Posted: July 16, 2007 09:24 am
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It is a known fact that Vatra Dornei mountains were the ground of some heavy fightings in ww1. The first photo seem to show a line of trenches.
The photo with the aparent entrance into a pillbox can also be an entrance for a somekind of pit (I think there was a small plate in front of it and resembles with a mining pit, but I am not sure) though I have also heard stories of german and austrian concrete pillboxes in the area.
The concrete foundation might be an old foresters or border guards hut. I have encountered many examples like that in the mountains.
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Posted: July 16, 2007 09:57 am
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hi andi..

the concrete that you saw in the pics....the one that is almost al groundlevel...it's not a foundation........i know that for sure becouse:

it has no connection with uprising walls(if there were any),
the structure has an angle corners

....and there are 2 structures like that in the woods.....
my father(who was an army unteroffizer) :D ...said that is possible to be an undergruond structure present in the area

i'll attache pics with some foundation that i found...

i'm sure that is not a mine entrance...


thanks 4 reply

keep up the good(seraching) work :roll:

inner structue of bunker
(IMG:http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/8749/s7003126he0.jpg)
By rennsport, shot with <Digimax S700 / Kenox S700 / Digimax Cyber 730> at 2007-07-16


our history is a perfect place 4 garbage

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(IMG:http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/628/s7003127qy1.jpg)
By rennsport, shot with <Digimax S700 / Kenox S700 / Digimax Cyber 730> at 2007-07-16 :angry:


antitank??? obstacle??

(IMG:http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9423/s7003149jg4.jpg)
By rennsport, shot with <Digimax S700 / Kenox S700 / Digimax Cyber 730> at 2007-07-16


this are the barracks??? foundation(notice the difference )..
(IMG:http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/2668/s7003154wg6.jpg)
By rennsport, shot with <Digimax S700 / Kenox S700 / Digimax Cyber 730> at 2007-07-16

another structure (poss underground)....from woods


(IMG:http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3350/s7003162uf1.jpg)
By rennsport, shot with <Digimax S700 / Kenox S700 / Digimax Cyber 730> at 2007-07-16




that's all folks....i'll keep seeking :ph34r:
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Posted: July 16, 2007 10:09 am
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The uprising wall at a concrete structure is not a "rule" for a foundation. The entire perimeter of a building concrete foundation can be covered with a concrete slab. As for the angled corners, you might be right.
But if there were pillboxes or similar, there must be a logic and a strategical disposition of them in the field as well as trench lines.
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Posted: July 16, 2007 01:00 pm
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QUOTE (seeker @ July 16, 2007 09:57 am)
antitank??? obstacle??

(IMG:http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9423/s7003149jg4.jpg)

I believe that here was an antitank defensive position, made by "dragon's tooth".
Dragon teeth is a 3D triangular shape concrete made obstacle, which was imposible for tanks to overpass it.
If a tank hit this kind of AT obstacle, the only result was that the obstacle remained on the same position and eficacy, due to its triangular 3D shape.

The pic you posted shows what remained from this obstacles, in this case only the base.
In a pic above you posted some dragon tooth still intact.

Where you said is the location of this fortified line?
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Posted: July 16, 2007 01:12 pm
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QUOTE (Wings_of_wrath @ April 28, 2006 11:57 pm)

So we headed over Saligny's old railway bridge, and, soon enough, we saw this:

(IMG:http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/8063/tur19xv.jpg)

An intact retractible 53 mm turret!

(IMG:http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/5195/tur21qi.jpg)

(IMG:http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1267/tur39jo.jpg)



Hallo Gentlemen :D

These pictures remind me of a French Ww1 Turret I saw at Verdun in 1998.

(IMG:http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/8163/docu0023atj3.jpg)

Kevin in Deva. :D
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Posted: July 16, 2007 09:19 pm
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QUOTE (21 inf @ July 16, 2007 01:00 pm)
QUOTE (seeker @ July 16, 2007 09:57 am)
antitank??? obstacle??

(IMG:http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9423/s7003149jg4.jpg)

I believe that here was an antitank defensive position, made by "dragon's tooth".
Dragon teeth is a 3D triangular shape concrete made obstacle, which was imposible for tanks to overpass it.
If a tank hit this kind of AT obstacle, the only result was that the obstacle remained on the same position and eficacy, due to its triangular 3D shape.

The pic you posted shows what remained from this obstacles, in this case only the base.
In a pic above you posted some dragon tooth still intact.

Where you said is the location of this fortified line?
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Posted: July 16, 2007 09:25 pm
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QUOTE (ANDI @ July 16, 2007 10:09 am)
The uprising wall at a concrete structure is not a "rule" for a foundation. The entire perimeter of a building concrete foundation can be covered with a concrete slab. As for the angled corners, you might be right.
But if there were pillboxes or similar, there must be a logic and a strategical disposition of them in the field as well as trench lines.

hi andi i can't tell you how "smart" were this structure build....you already know that
the entire structure "watches" over 2 valleys and nothing can move without been seen...

i'll try to find also the pics from focsani...with ww1 bunkers....interesting too..

anyway thaks 4 reply....


wait to see whAT you guys have visited.... :roll:

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Posted: July 17, 2007 04:52 am
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QUOTE (seeker @ July 16, 2007 09:25 pm)
anyway thaks 4 reply....


wait to see whAT you guys have visited.... :roll:

For the begining, you can start with http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=3926
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Posted: July 17, 2007 08:52 pm
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i already saw those pics....amazing places...
i'll try to find more places and post..
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Posted: August 23, 2007 05:29 pm
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Posted: August 23, 2007 05:31 pm
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The white one is not from ww2, it is from the time when the touristic harbor from Mangalia was military...
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Posted: July 24, 2008 06:52 pm
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Ok guys,
this summer i did some field research of fortifications around the romanian seaside. I managed to find a few cassemates however access was hardly possible(crawling and stuff) and i was a bit afraid to enter, plus the embarassment from the people thinking i`m nuts photoing and examining those forts. :lol: Also, even if i could have entered, i didn`t have a flashlight at me.

The first one i`ve spotted is somewhere between Mangalia and Saturn, on the pathway on the seaside. Nowadays, only a few of it is visible, due to the construction of the "t" , wich is a barrier of stabilopods. While the other tourists were photoing some swans, i had nothing to bother me, so i took some pictures.
(IMG:http://www.free-imagehosting.net/photos/concediu%202008%20205.jpg)
Sorry for the hi-res photos. I don`t know how to resize it, hope an admin can do it for me. I have seen a painted marking, but being yellow i tought it`s somethimg regarding the depth of gas pipes. Also, i think it may only be a "licheni" but i`ve also seen another cassemate marked.
(IMG:http://www.free-imagehosting.net/photos/concediu%202008%20206.jpg)
I also noticed the square concrete peiece, i don`t know what exactly it is, it didn`t had anything at its end, it may have been hosting a 1) airing tube 2) periscope 3) grenade slide . I`ve also seen simmilar square concrete pieces like this on other cassemates, only that they are bigger and have a metal piece inside( soon to follow)
(IMG:http://www.free-imagehosting.net/photos/concediu%202008%20207.jpg)
This one is the enterance, it`s on the back of the cassemate, i`ve looked inside but i couldn`t see anything, there wasn`t too much space, about 30 cm so i couldn`t see or get inside.
(IMG:http://www.free-imagehosting.net/photos/concediu%202008%20208.jpg)
(IMG:http://www.free-imagehosting.net/photos/concediu%202008%20209.jpg)
I have also noticed on the top some long, paralellipipedic concrete pieces, reinforced with iron bars, anyone have any idea what those served for? Strange thing, this cassemate has once been on the beach/seaside befor the building of the "t" barrage, judging by the missing layer of tar, wich used to protect the wall by sea errosion(waves and stuff like this) . Because the waves splash onto it, in time it melts down.

Farther on the seaside, i saw this restaurant, i`m not sure but i think it`s being built on a pillbox, i didn`t manage to see any firing slots but i guess they`re covered by the concrete sustaining the terrace above.

(IMG:http://www.free-imagehosting.net/photos/concediu%202008%20210.jpg)

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