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Geto-Dacul
Posted: October 18, 2003 04:29 pm
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I know that during WW2, Romania had 3 submarines :

- Delfinul
- Rechinul
- Marsuinul

What was their fate during and after the war? Did the Soviet sank or capture some of them? I heard that Delfinul is still alive...

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Posted: October 18, 2003 04:40 pm
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Have you visited the http://www.worldwar2.ro website recently? :D
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Andreas von Mach
Posted: October 18, 2003 05:03 pm
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Some date from Soviet sources:
- Delfinul :arrow: Soviet TS-3
- Rechinul :arrow: Soviet TS-1
- Marsuinul :arrow: Soviet TS-2

all seized on 29.04.1944
enlisted into Soviet Red Sea Navy 14.09.1944
renamed as above on 20.10.44

DELFINUL
deleted from Soviet Navy lists on 6.11.1945
returned 12.10.1945

RECHINUL
4.08.1948 renamed N-39
16.06.1949 renamed S-39
3.07.1951 deleted from Navy list and returned to Romania

MARSUINUL
4.08.1948 renamed N-40
16.06.1949 renamed S-40
20.02.1945 sunk in poti after torpedo explosion
20.02.1945 refloated
repaired
28.11.50 deleted from the Navy lists
8.12.1950 transferred for scapping
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Posted: October 18, 2003 05:11 pm
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Victor wrote :

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Have you visited the http://www.worldwar2.ro website recently?


No! :oops: :P


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RECHINUL  
4.08.1948 renamed N-39  
16.06.1949 renamed S-39  
3.07.1951 deleted from Navy list and returned to Romania  


:lol:
So the Soviets just returned it to us after the war! Their very good afterall! :o
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Posted: October 18, 2003 06:12 pm
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Some date from Soviet sources:
- Delfinul  :arrow:  Soviet TS-3
- Rechinul  :arrow:  Soviet TS-1
- Marsuinul  :arrow:  Soviet TS-2
all seized on 29.04.1944

Shouldn't the month be August, rather than April?

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Posted: October 18, 2003 08:35 pm
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The Marsuinul engine is not the one that is in the Romanian Navy Museum in Constanta?????
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Posted: October 18, 2003 08:45 pm
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Of course they were seized on 29th August 1944 :(
Sorry :D
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Posted: October 19, 2003 06:50 am
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Why were Rechinul and Marsuinul not built to an identical design? Or did their differences result from problems in the yard? What was the official name of the Galati yard at the time these boats were built?
Does anyone have the exact date when they were laid down? Exactly when was Marsuinul completed, and when declared ready for operations? How about Delfinul?
I see that Victor has said one of the Italian CB subs was sunk in August 1944--which one? Was it returned to service? Did these boats keep their original names all during their careers? What was their ultimate fate?
Does the word "pescaj" refer to the ship's beam at its maximum point?
I have many questions--don't I?
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Posted: October 19, 2003 08:44 am
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The answers to some of your questions are in the Equipment/Ships/Subamarines section of the http://www.worldwar2.ro site.

Why do people seem to forget that the forum belongs to a site anddonot try look there first? :(
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Posted: October 19, 2003 11:19 am
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I put a link to the main site in the logo in the upper left corner.
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Tiornu
Posted: October 19, 2003 11:32 am
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I posted my questions after looking through the Weapons/Ships/Submarines pages. If I missed something, I will blame it on my aging eyes.
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Andreas von Mach
Posted: October 19, 2003 04:07 pm
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There was a serie of articles on Romanaian Navy in WW II in WARSHIP (Conway) . In 1992 issue C:craciunoiu & M.Axworthy "Romanian Submarine Operations in the Second World War" p.142 gives following fates.

DELFINUL
Handed back with other unserviceable units to the Romanian Nany i Galati on 12 October 1945... She retained a technical crew abroad until 1954 when was towed to Mangalia naval base for a training purposes. Seh made a few local dives there but by now she had numerous leaks and was thereafter kept within the base, In 1959 she was decomissioned and sent to the breakers. (Note she was not operationel from 1942).

RECHINUL
In August 1951 returned to Romania navy at Galati. However , the Peace Treaty of 1947 (in Paris) prohibited Romania from posessing operational submarines and she could not be recommissioned. Broken uop in 1959.

In this article were :
RECHINUL known originaly as construction No.929
MARSUINUL known originaly as construction No.930
Were these numbers a yard numbers of Galati ??????
Is such list existing ?
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Posted: October 19, 2003 07:10 pm
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Why were Rechinul and Marsuinul not built to an identical design?


In the Marsuinul profile it is explained that it was first intended to be a mine-laying sub and from this resulted the differences with Rechinul.

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What was the official name of the Galati yard at the time these boats were built?


I believe the official name was: Santierul Naval Galati. The Resita Works also took part in the project.

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Does anyone have the exact date when they were laid down? Exactly when was Marsuinul completed, and when declared ready for operations? How about Delfinul?


Look in their profiles and you will notice:
Delfinul 5 May 1936
Rechinul 5 May 1941
Marsuinul 25 May 1941, ready for operations, after tests, in April 1944
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Tiornu
Posted: October 19, 2003 07:19 pm
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Thanks, Victor. The construction of a ship is usually assigned three dates: when it is laid down, when it is launched, and when it is completed. (The definitions of theses three terms varied from navy to navy, which can cause a lot of confusion.) Getting a fourth date of when the ship was declared ready for service--that is a bonus.
The dates you listed on the submarine page were for launching. That is why I asked about when the boats were laid down.
Thanks for the minelayer-sub information. So the two boats began very different and became a bit more alike.
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Posted: October 19, 2003 07:36 pm
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The flag was officially raised on Rechinul (is this"laid down"?) on9 May 1943, 7 years after Delfinul
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