Pics of downed allied fighters over romania...

I search any pics and circumstances of shotdown/crashed allied fighters over the territory of bulgaria, hungary or romania!?!?!?!?

Especially fighters (P-38,P-47,P-51?) who been shotdown by axis pilots from these countries. But also russian fighters...

Have anybody pics and infos, details about these allied planes???

pilot, squadron etc. ???

http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?sh...1613&hl=ploesti

I guarantee you will be bored by the time you reach page 112...

This post has been edited by deadmanwalking on January 04, 2006 12:27 am

Hi Ronny,

Your question is easy to be asked , but the answer (only for romanian teritory) could fill one or two books . I work for some years collecting and processing all the data for allied planes shot down over Romanian teritory ( I think i have 1GB stored on my HDD ). Some of the info were revelead in few threads on this forum. Probably this work (it's not finished yet) will appear in the pages of a big book about Aeriall warfare in romanian sky '43-'44.
More than 250 bombers and 50 fighters (allied planes) were lost due to batlle actions over Romanian teritory in '43-'44.

Also have a question for you. Why you need all this info ?

Anyway I will give you an excerpt from my reserch.

On 6 june'44 near Galati village, romanian ace Bazu Cantacuzino (9thFG) shot down a P-51 from one of USAF shutlle raids missions.

The plane was a P-51B, Nr.61 Sn: 42-103369 from 325FG, 318FS the pilot Lt. J. Mumford made a force landing (after been hit by Bazu 109G) near Vardita Tighina village, the pilot was last seen going towards russians lines (probably to Poltava) but he didn't reach the allies and was reported MIA.

Below the picture with burning wrecks of (Mumford ) P-51B and Cantacuzino standing near him. Source Aeromagazin.



And the color profile of Mumford P-51 B nr 61. Source Aeromagazin.



This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on January 05, 2006 10:58 am

Is that the case when Bazu waved to the American,from his plane to stay and not to run?

Yes, it was his first Mustang and 9th Fighter Group's first encounter with the 15th Air Force. Bazu was not at his first clash with American aircraft, because he had been in the 7th Fighter Group at the beginning of the year.

Here are two photos (of poor quality unfortunately) from the book Vanatorul IAR-80 - istoria unui erou necunoscut by Dan Antoniu and George Cicos, Modelism, 2000, page 202




They are remains of some of the P-38s shot down by the 6th Fighter Group on 10 June 1944.

The wrecks are from the P-38 nr 32 ( 71sq, 1FG) shot down around Popesti Leordeni airfield. The 71 sq lost that day 8 planes and 2 damaged in the dogfight with IAR 81C from 6FG.

I own these original photos.

If needed, I can post better scans; however, the originals are very small and not the sharpest.

Gen. Dénes

I own these original photos.

If needed, I can post better scans; however, the originals are very small and not the sharpest.

Gen. Dénes

You mean you also own them I noticed usually there are more then 1 person who own such original pictures. My friend who's grandfather was a pilot in the 7th fighter group has pictures I also seen at Dobran's house and in books published by other authors (you also). My guess is that romanian pilots shared these photos amongst themselfs so there are more "originals" to each pic.

Could be, I don't know.

Most of my photos are reproductions of the originals. However, this pair of prints are original, over 60 years old prints.
I believe the photos posted above are also reproduction of the originals. But I could be wrong.

So let me rephrase the sentence: "I own the original photos".

Gen. Dénes

This post has been edited by Dénes on January 05, 2006 03:36 pm

lol

And below the "original scans" of P-38 nr 32 color profile. Source Aeromagazin

Did anyone research who was the unfortunate pilot of 'Black 32'?

Gen. Dénes

Like me owning the original negatives of Sorin Tulea's color photos.....

We all were told that this picture shows Lt. Mumford's P-51. However, what are the proofs? The ultimate proof, the aircraft's serial number on the tail, is not visible. Perhaps is it an SMP photo, and the details were mentioned in the explanation printed on the print's rear side?

Gen. Dénes