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Luftw.pilot exiled in Romania...| C-2 |
Posted: September 10, 2003 09:02 pm
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 General Medic  Group: Hosts Posts: 2453 Member No.: 19 Joined: June 23, 2003  |
Look what I found:
Hauptman Wilhelm Steinmann 15/1/1912 1/Jg 27 Channel Front. First vic:18/5/43-RAF Tyfhoon over the channel. Secont vic: 1/6/43-RAF Spitfire. Third vic: 1/6/43-BF 109 G6 WN 16391 flown by Gruppenkomandeur of....1/JG 27 Haupt.Erich Hogaen (56vic. RK),had to bail out and severly wonded. Then WS was EXILED to Romania!!!!At the middle of Juin. At 1/8/43 he had 2 vic against the USAAF (B-24) 14:01 near Bucharest,14:28 Ogregini?????? Somehow I don't think that Romania was such a bad place for a Luftw.pilot... |
 
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| PanzerKing |
Posted: September 11, 2003 02:14 am
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 Sergent major  Group: Members Posts: 216 Member No.: 29 Joined: July 07, 2003 |
So he shot down his fellow comrade for his third victory? :?
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| MaxFax |
Posted: September 11, 2003 04:24 am
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 Plutonier  Group: Members Posts: 255 Member No.: 7 Joined: June 18, 2003 |
Maybe he was send on the East Front and maneged somehow to remain in Romania
 which was a much better place as the Russian teritorys !
Just an idea ! |
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| C-2 |
Posted: September 11, 2003 08:33 am
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His comanding oficer!!!! |
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| Csaba Becze |
Posted: September 11, 2003 10:29 am
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Fruntas  Group: Members Posts: 76 Member No.: 54 Joined: July 23, 2003 |
Ovidius was also exiled to Tomi, so he was not the only outcasted
Actually, it was not a single accident. The most famous friend-killing action was in the Lutwaffe fighters on 26 March, 1945, when Oblt. Wilhelm Hofmann, cdr. of the 5./JG 26 was downed by his wingman (and killed). |
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| PanzerKing |
Posted: September 11, 2003 04:02 pm
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Sergent major Group: Members Posts: 216 Member No.: 29 Joined: July 07, 2003 |
Were these by accident or on purpose?
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| C-2 |
Posted: September 11, 2003 06:54 pm
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General Medic Group: Hosts Posts: 2453 Member No.: 19 Joined: June 23, 2003 |
I guess we'll never know...
Anyway one of Adolf's Galland brothers,also shoot down and killed a camarad. I wonder if such accidents happened also in the ARR? |
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| Dénes |
Posted: September 11, 2003 07:36 pm
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Yes, they did. For example, a Bf 109E pilot, Ioan Tolan, shot down an I.A.R. 39 "with no markings (actually, he did not recognise them), that acted strangely (to him)" a few days before the Aug. '44 coup d'état. There were no fatalities, though. Rumanian pilots also shot occasionally at Luftwaffe airplanes, and vice versa. Unfortunately, such "friendly fire" type of incidents happened in all air forces... Dénes |
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| C-2 |
Posted: October 21, 2003 07:24 pm
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General Medic Group: Hosts Posts: 2453 Member No.: 19 Joined: June 23, 2003 |
I talked a few days ago with a 110 pilot,Boris Cap Batut and he told me that at 4 April 44 he was shoot down by a IAR 80 piloted by Barbici.
Nore info? |
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| Dénes |
Posted: October 21, 2003 07:41 pm
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That particular incident apparently happened on April 5, 1944.
Here is what I have in my ARR Losses Database: Apr. 5 Bf 110F+ Esc. 1 van. noapte slt. Boris Capbatut, adj. mitr. Popa+ Ploiesti V. acc. doborit in eroare de IAR 80, Lt. Barbic [sic!] (poate Adj. Barbici?). Mitralior decapitat de ampenaj [translation: shot down in error by an IAR 80, piloted by Lt. Barbic [sic!]. The radio operator decapitated by the vertical stabilizer after bailing out]. Dénes |
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| cipiamon |
Posted: October 22, 2003 12:52 pm
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 Sublocotenent  Group: Members Posts: 471 Member No.: 115 Joined: October 06, 2003 |
Hmm, very strange,
http://www.luftwaffe.cz/steinmann.html : 4. 1.8.1943 14:28 B-24 1./JG 4 Ogregini There is no "Ogregini" near Bucharest only Ogrezeni, and there is been only one crash that day, the one scored by Ghica who died in the same fight becouse his me110 was damaged and his parashute did not open. Is this some kind of a mixup? |
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| Victor |
Posted: October 22, 2003 01:31 pm
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It is very simple. The Axis pilots and AA gunners overclaimed. As I already told you there was another Romanian claim in the vicinity of Ogrezeni.
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| cipiamon |
Posted: October 22, 2003 02:14 pm
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i asked many old people about that crash, and they said it was only ONE crash in the Ogrezeni or vecinety. Maby i'll go this weekend and investigate some more :?
They only talked about the liberator and the plane that crashed in Bolintin. The crash of the liberator was very popular in Bolintin because it flew close over Bolintin in flames, and everybody rushed to Ogrezeni to see what happenned. |
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| Victor |
Posted: October 22, 2003 02:37 pm
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This is what overclaiming means: claiming more than was actually shot down. It was pretty common.
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| cipiamon |
Posted: October 22, 2003 04:58 pm
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So oficialy the liberator from Ogrezei is a victory atribuited to Ghica, not Hauptman.
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