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  Posted: February 05, 2007 12:49 pm
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Greetings. A Romanian historian just sent me this information on the exact location of Russian military forces in Romania. If anyone would be willing to translate this, I would really appreciate it. Multumesc foarte mult.

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Ai dreptate in ceea ce priveste cantonarea trupelor sovietice la Timisoara. Din cate stiu eu, insa, Armata Rosie a fost prezenta in mai multe localitati iar Romania a fost impartita in 4 zone strategice (initial au fost propuse 5).
Pentru conformitate iti dau cateva detalii:
6 octombrie 1944 – nota a Sectiei I a Marelui Stat Major Roman asupra punerii la dispozitia Comandamentului Sovietic in 24 ore a cazarmilor de la Timisoara, Craiova, Ramnicu-Valcea.

22 februarie 1945 – raspunsul Marelui Stat Major Roman la cererea Comisiei Aliate de Control de a pune la dispozitia trupelor sovietice, care urmeaza sa vina in Romania, spatii de cazare (pentru 1-10 martie). Partea romana a identificat urmatoarele posibilitati:
a) in garnizoana Bucuresti (4 tabere)
cool.gif in garnizoana Giurgiu (2 tabere)
c) in garnizoana Arad toate taberele erau deja ocupate
d) in garnizoana Craiova sovieticii se aflau deja in 4 cazarmi. Se facea propunerea ca in loc de Craiova sa se cazeze sovieticii la Caracal
e) in garnizoana Sibiu se aflau deja in 3 cazarmi.


18 iulie 1945, nota a Ministerului de Razboi catre Comisia Romana pentru Aplicarea Armistitiului privind zonele de stationare a trupelor sovietice pe teritoriul Romaniei. Conform ordinului nr. 20701 din 17 iulie 1945 al Ministerului de Razboi – Cabinet:
I. Trupele sovietice vor stationa in urmatoarele zone:
1. Arad, Oravita, Turnu Severin, Turnu-Magurele, Giurgiu, Mihai Bravu, Ramnicu-Valcea, Alba Iulia.
2. Calarasi, Jegalia
3. Mizil si aerodromurile din regiunea Ploiesti
4. Iasi, Bacau, Buzau, Mangalia, Constanta, Tulcea, Galati, Husi
5. Oltenita, Budesti
In urmatoarele garnizoane se vor face cartiruiri mixte
-Timisoara, Sibiu, Alexandria.
In garnizoana Bucuresti, se vor cartirui, de asemenea, mici unitati si subunitati sovietice.
II. In zonele rezervate pentru trupele sovietice vor intra si unitati romane ce se vor hotari ulterior, pentru care se vor da si instructiuni asupra modului cum vor fi dislocate si cazate.
III. Se reamintesc dispozitiile date prin Ordinul nr. 20473 din 16 iunie 1945 al Ministerului de Razboi – Cabinet si anume:
-In garnizoanele cuprinse in zonele de stationare a trupelor sovietice, raman pe loc anumite comandamente, formatiuni de serviciu si depozite.

18 iulie 1945, nota privind modificarile aduse zonelor de stationare ale trupelor sovietice:
1. Au fost adaugate zonele:
-Mizil
-Oltenita-Budesti
2. S-a renuntat la zona
-Brasov
3. S-au fixat garnizoane mixte romano-sovietice la:
-Bucuresti
-Timisoara
-Sibiu
-Alexandria


Dupa cum stii probabil, se apreciaza ca pe teritoriul Romaniei au stationat intre 145000 (iunie 1946) si 32000 (dupa anul 1950) de militari sovietici.
In momentul retragerii rusilor din Romania in 1958 conform unui Plan de activitati privind retragerea sovieticilor erau urmatoarele garnizoane ce adaposteau militari sovietici:
Braila, Galati, Focsani, Ramnicu Sarat, Boboc, Ianca, Alexeni, Rodna Lipova, Arad, Timisoara, Baragan, Constanta, Iasi.

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Posted: February 05, 2007 03:45 pm
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Great info! Thanks for posting it.
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Posted: February 06, 2007 11:54 am
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Baragan = comuna Borcea, judetul Calarasi.

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Edit: sometimes, Baragan is named "Baraganu".

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Posted: February 08, 2007 04:21 pm
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Please translate the excerpt I posted.

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Posted: February 08, 2007 07:19 pm
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Off topic. Did you know that in Bucharest there is a major boulevard called Kiseleff? smile.gif

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QUOTE (Nikolai_Kiselev @ February 05, 2007 02:49 pm)
Ai dreptate in ceea ce priveste cantonarea trupelor sovietice la Timisoara. Din cate stiu eu, insa, Armata Rosie a fost prezenta in mai multe localitati iar Romania a fost impartita in 4 zone strategice (initial au fost propuse 5).
Pentru conformitate iti dau cateva detalii:
6 octombrie 1944 – nota a Sectiei I a Marelui Stat Major Roman asupra punerii la dispozitia Comandamentului Sovietic in 24 ore a cazarmilor de la Timisoara, Craiova, Ramnicu-Valcea.

22 februarie 1945 – raspunsul Marelui Stat Major Roman la cererea Comisiei Aliate de Control de a pune la dispozitia trupelor sovietice, care urmeaza sa vina in Romania, spatii de cazare (pentru 1-10 martie). Partea romana a identificat urmatoarele posibilitati:
a) in garnizoana Bucuresti (4 tabere)
b) in garnizoana Giurgiu (2 tabere)
c) in garnizoana Arad toate taberele erau deja ocupate
d) in garnizoana Craiova sovieticii se aflau deja in 4 cazarmi. Se facea propunerea ca in loc de Craiova sa se cazeze sovieticii la Caracal
e) in garnizoana Sibiu se aflau deja in 3 cazarmi.


18 iulie 1945, nota a Ministerului de Razboi catre Comisia Romana pentru Aplicarea Armistitiului privind zonele de stationare a trupelor sovietice pe teritoriul Romaniei. Conform ordinului nr. 20701 din 17 iulie 1945 al Ministerului de Razboi – Cabinet:
I. Trupele sovietice vor stationa in urmatoarele zone:
1. Arad, Oravita, Turnu Severin, Turnu-Magurele, Giurgiu, Mihai Bravu, Ramnicu-Valcea, Alba Iulia.
2. Calarasi, Jegalia
3. Mizil si aerodromurile din regiunea Ploiesti
4. Iasi, Bacau, Buzau, Mangalia, Constanta, Tulcea, Galati, Husi
5. Oltenita, Budesti
In urmatoarele garnizoane se vor face cartiruiri mixte
-Timisoara, Sibiu, Alexandria.
In garnizoana Bucuresti, se vor cartirui, de asemenea, mici unitati si subunitati sovietice.
II. In zonele rezervate pentru trupele sovietice vor intra si unitati romane ce se vor hotari ulterior, pentru care se vor da si instructiuni asupra modului cum vor fi dislocate si cazate.
III. Se reamintesc dispozitiile date prin Ordinul nr. 20473 din 16 iunie 1945 al Ministerului de Razboi – Cabinet si anume:
-In garnizoanele cuprinse in zonele de stationare a trupelor sovietice, raman pe loc anumite comandamente, formatiuni de serviciu si depozite.

18 iulie 1945, nota privind modificarile aduse zonelor de stationare ale trupelor sovietice:
1. Au fost adaugate zonele:
-Mizil
-Oltenita-Budesti
2. S-a renuntat la zona
-Brasov
3. S-au fixat garnizoane mixte romano-sovietice la:
-Bucuresti
-Timisoara
-Sibiu
-Alexandria


Dupa cum stii probabil, se apreciaza ca pe teritoriul Romaniei au stationat intre 145000 (iunie 1946) si 32000 (dupa anul 1950) de militari sovietici.
In momentul retragerii rusilor din Romania in 1958 conform unui Plan de activitati privind retragerea sovieticilor erau urmatoarele garnizoane ce adaposteau militari sovietici:
Braila, Galati, Focsani, Ramnicu Sarat, Boboc, Ianca, Alexeni, Rodna Lipova, Arad, Timisoara, Baragan, Constanta, Iasi.

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You were right about Soviet troops stationed in Timisoara. From what I know, however, the Red Army was present in several cities and Romania was divided into four strategic area (initially five were proposed).

I will provide several details:
6 October 1944 - a memo from the 1st Section of the Romanian General Staff about handing over barracks in Timisoara, Craiova, Rmanicu-Valcea to the Soviet Command.

22 February 1945 - the answer of the Romanian General Staff to the request of the Allied Control Commission to provide living quarters fot Soviet troops comming to Romania (1-10 March). The Romanian side identified the following possibilities:
a) Bucharest - 4 camps
B) Giurgiu - 2 camps
c) Arad - all camps are already occupied
d) Craiova - Soviets occupy already 4 barracks; they can instead be housed in Caracal
e) Sibiu - Soviets already occupy 3 barracks

19 July 1945 - a memo of the Ministry of War to the Romanian Armistice Commission about the areas of deployment of the Soviet troops on Romanian soil. According to the order no. 20701/17 July 1945 of the Ministry of War:
I. The Soviet troops will be stationed in the following areas:
1. Arad, Oravita, Turnu Severin, Turnu-Magurele, Giurgiu, Mihai Bravu, Ramnicu-Valcea, Alba Iulia.
2. Calarasi, Jegalia
3. Mizil and the airfields in the Ploiesti area
4. Iasi, Bacau, Buzau, Mangalia, Constanta, Tulcea, Galati, Husi
5. Oltenita, Budesti
In the following garrisons the housing will be mixed: Timisoara, Sibiu, Alexandria
In Bucharest, small Soviet units will be housed.
II. In the areas reserved for Soviet troops, Romanian troops will also be deployed (which will be decided later), for which guidelines on housing and deployment will be provided.
III. The contents of the Ministry of War's Order no. 20473/16 June 1945 are reminded: in the garrisons in the areas of deployment of the Soviet troops, certain HQs, service formations and warehouses will remain there.

18 July 194, a memo on the modifications of the areas of deployment of the Soviet troops in Romania:
1. The following areas were added:
-Mizil
-Oltenita-Budesti
2. The deployment in following areas was canceled:
-Brasov
3. Mixed Roamnian-Soviet garrisons were set for:
-Bucuresti
-Timisoara
-Sibiu
-Alexandria

As you probably know, it is estimated that on Romanian soil were stationed between 145,000 (June 1946) and 32,000 (after 1950) Soviet troops.
In the momment of their retreat in 1958, according to an activity plan the foolowing garrisons housed Soviet troops: Braila, Galati, Focsani, Ramnicu Sarat, Boboc, Ianca, Alexeni, Rodna Lipova, Arad, Timisoara, Baragan, Constanta, Iasi.
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Posted: February 24, 2007 02:04 pm
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Were soviet troops involved in operations against the anti-communist resistance, or were there any attacks from the latter on the soviet troops?

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  Posted: February 26, 2007 03:58 pm
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Thank you very much, Victor, for your excellent translation.

Isn't it rather strange that there were no Soviet garrisons in Cluj-Napoca, since that is the historical capital of Transylvania where many ethnic Hungarians lived?

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Posted: February 26, 2007 09:08 pm
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That is probbaly because at the time NW Transylvania was still under direct Soviet administration, so there was no need to request barracks from the Romanian authorities.
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Yes, of course. Forgot. Thanks for reminder, Victor.

Do you know, then, in what year NW Transylvania stopped being "under direct Soviet administration"?

And when that occurred, did a Soviet contingent stay behind in Cluj? Surely there was some Soviet military presence in Cluj in the 1950s, no?

It still seems hard to believe. Please share thoughts. Thanks.

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Posted: February 27, 2007 09:49 pm
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QUOTE (Nikolai_Kiselev @ February 27, 2007 07:46 pm)
Do you know, then, in what year NW Transylvania stopped being "under direct Soviet administration"?


I believe that would be 1947.

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QUOTE (Imperialist @ February 24, 2007 02:04 pm)
Were soviet troops involved in operations against the anti-communist resistance, or were there any attacks from the latter on the soviet troops?

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Hello Imperialist,

One veteran from Divizia 1 Infanterie (at the momment when i meet him he was colonel, retired), told me just about military from Tudor Vladimirescu division who operated against the anti-communist resistance.

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QUOTE (Nikolai_Kiselev @ February 28, 2007 01:46 am)
Do you know, then, in what year NW Transylvania stopped being "under direct Soviet administration"?

Soviet military administration in Northern Transylvania, centered in Cluj/Kolozsvár, lasted between 14 Nov. 1944 — 23 Mar. 1945.

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Hallo Gen. Dénes,
I found on internet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Group_of_Forces) a interesting information reguarding Hungarian Revolution in 1956
'On October 24, 1956 the 33rd Guard 'Kherson' Mechanized Division, previously stationed in Romania near the Romanian-Hungarian border ...entered Hungary'
If other information I posses (from other sources) are correct, this Division was stationed in the Arad-Timisoara-Lugoj area and returned in 1957 to his stabile garrisons in Romania for a year, until his retreat in USSR in summer 1958. Do you have additional informations reguarding this soviet division? It will be useful to identify a major soviet unit from Romania prior 1958!
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QUOTE (Nikolai_Kiselev @ February 05, 2007 12:49 pm)
Greetings. A Romanian historian just sent me this information on the exact location of Russian military forces in Romania. If anyone would be willing to translate this, I would really appreciate it. Multumesc foarte mult.

Nikolai

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Ai dreptate in ceea ce priveste cantonarea trupelor sovietice la Timisoara. Din cate stiu eu, insa, Armata Rosie a fost prezenta in mai multe localitati iar Romania a fost impartita in 4 zone strategice (initial au fost propuse 5).
Pentru conformitate iti dau cateva detalii:
6 octombrie 1944 – nota a Sectiei I a Marelui Stat Major Roman asupra punerii la dispozitia Comandamentului Sovietic in 24 ore a cazarmilor de la Timisoara, Craiova, Ramnicu-Valcea.

22 februarie 1945 – raspunsul Marelui Stat Major Roman la cererea Comisiei Aliate de Control de a pune la dispozitia trupelor sovietice, care urmeaza sa vina in Romania, spatii de cazare (pentru 1-10 martie). Partea romana a identificat urmatoarele posibilitati:
a) in garnizoana Bucuresti (4 tabere)
cool.gif in garnizoana Giurgiu (2 tabere)
c) in garnizoana Arad toate taberele erau deja ocupate
d) in garnizoana Craiova sovieticii se aflau deja in 4 cazarmi. Se facea propunerea ca in loc de Craiova sa se cazeze sovieticii la Caracal
e) in garnizoana Sibiu se aflau deja in 3 cazarmi.


18 iulie 1945, nota a Ministerului de Razboi catre Comisia Romana pentru Aplicarea Armistitiului privind zonele de stationare a trupelor sovietice pe teritoriul Romaniei. Conform ordinului nr. 20701 din 17 iulie 1945 al Ministerului de Razboi – Cabinet:
I. Trupele sovietice vor stationa in urmatoarele zone:
1. Arad, Oravita, Turnu Severin, Turnu-Magurele, Giurgiu, Mihai Bravu, Ramnicu-Valcea, Alba Iulia.
2. Calarasi, Jegalia
3. Mizil si aerodromurile din regiunea Ploiesti
4. Iasi, Bacau, Buzau, Mangalia, Constanta, Tulcea, Galati, Husi
5. Oltenita, Budesti
In urmatoarele garnizoane se vor face cartiruiri mixte
-Timisoara, Sibiu, Alexandria.
In garnizoana Bucuresti, se vor cartirui, de asemenea, mici unitati si subunitati sovietice.
II. In zonele rezervate pentru trupele sovietice vor intra si unitati romane ce se vor hotari ulterior, pentru care se vor da si instructiuni asupra modului cum vor fi dislocate si cazate.
III. Se reamintesc dispozitiile date prin Ordinul nr. 20473 din 16 iunie 1945 al Ministerului de Razboi – Cabinet si anume:
-In garnizoanele cuprinse in zonele de stationare a trupelor sovietice, raman pe loc anumite comandamente, formatiuni de serviciu si depozite.

18 iulie 1945, nota privind modificarile aduse zonelor de stationare ale trupelor sovietice:
1. Au fost adaugate zonele:
-Mizil
-Oltenita-Budesti
2. S-a renuntat la zona
-Brasov
3. S-au fixat garnizoane mixte romano-sovietice la:
-Bucuresti
-Timisoara
-Sibiu
-Alexandria


Dupa cum stii probabil, se apreciaza ca pe teritoriul Romaniei au stationat intre 145000 (iunie 1946) si 32000 (dupa anul 1950) de militari sovietici.
In momentul retragerii rusilor din Romania in 1958 conform unui Plan de activitati privind retragerea sovieticilor erau urmatoarele garnizoane ce adaposteau militari sovietici:
Braila, Galati, Focsani, Ramnicu Sarat, Boboc, Ianca, Alexeni, Rodna Lipova, Arad, Timisoara, Baragan, Constanta, Iasi.

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Which aerodromes were present in 1945 in Ploiesti area?

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