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Florin
Posted: February 29, 2004 05:28 pm
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[quote]... He also said that the fighting value of the Romanian division was insignificant, as the men were not motivated enough and they were poorly trained. The Romanians were described as one of the weeknesses of the Axes force.
This contradicts most of what I know about this subject. Discovery Channel often tends to alter the historical truth to mach the western point of view of the events in WW2.....[/quote]

To make a bitter joke, it is a progress anyway. Usually in the documentaries made until recently the Romanian contribution was not mentioned at all.

Do not hope for too much fairness in the Western documentaries about WWII. In the recent or more distant past they underestimated the Soviet contribution for the victory (especially the American documentaries). They also overestimated the importance of the Allied material help given to Soviet Union. Here I should not be misunderstood. The Allied help in war equipment, raw materials and food was very important, but Soviet Union could win the war without that. Another simple truth "forgotten" during the Cold War by either side was that neither Soviet Union, neither the Western Allies couldn't win the war alone.
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Florin
Posted: February 29, 2004 05:39 pm
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[quote]Victor,

Manstein "Lost Victories" not a accurate source??? Huh? How can you say that?

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Benoit,

What other books did you read about the same subject, to allow you to compare?

PS: Not only some Romanians counter-argue to some of von Manstein quotes. Some of von Manstein remarks were discussed / criticized by the Western historians, or by the Russians.
BTW: In such a hot topic as WWII, every involved part feels somehow that its truth is the real truth. (Maybe this sounds somehow stupid, but anyway.)
Regards.
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Posted: February 29, 2004 06:34 pm
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[quote]Is true that romanaians and another east europe peoples had a kind of naturaly fear of russians -? I don t think so ... [/quote]

I would say it was the fear specific to the untrained and unmotivated soldiers. The situation is best described here:

"As regards the structure of the troops, most of the military were over 30 and came from 12 contingents who had undergone fairly brief training because of many leaves accorded to save money in the period before the war which resulted in the fact that the fortified system of Odessa was attacked by an "infantry made up of individuals lacking the enthusiasm of youth which in so necessary in such operations". "

http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/viewtopic.php?t=790
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Posted: February 29, 2004 06:48 pm
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I have read in a report of 1941 that there were cases, when the Soviets attacked, Romanian soldiers were crouching in the bottom of their foxholes and were firing their rifles in the air, or when it was ordered an assault junior officers had to drag by force the soldiers out of their holes.
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Petre
Posted: June 13, 2016 05:26 pm
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Source : Net. Book - V.V. Abramov, Disaster at Kerch, 1942.

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În august activitatea în subterane a încetat, pentru acţiuni mai lungi nu prea mai aveau oameni, din cauza umidităţii de sub pământ s-au umezit şi cartuşele şi dăteau rateuri adesea. Forţele mai ajungeau doar să apere ieşirile şi pentru mici raiduri de cercetare noaptea. Oricum, şi inamicul i-a deranjat mai puţin pe cei încercuiţi, pentru că nemţii au predat poziţiile lor din jurul carierelor de piatră românilor, care la acea vreme le spuneau deschis localnicilor că nu vor să lupte împotriva Rusiei.

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Care a fost însă soarta ultimilor apărători din subteranele de la Adjimuşkai ? Să revenim la amintirile lui S.F. Iliasov. " În satul Adjimuşkai ne-au ţinut până la 5 nov. Până atunci fiecare din noi a fost interogat, ameninţaţi că ne împuşcă. Fasciştii ne cereau să recunoaştem că suntem partizani şi că am rămas în carierele de piatră din însărcinarea NKVD, au întrebat de legături cu clandestinii din Kerci. Iar pe P.M. pentru că a recunoscut asta, chiar l-au dus să îl împuşte. Dar în general nu s-au purtat rău cu noi (ne păzeau românii), ne-au dat să mâncăm potrivit, apă, ne-au ţinut într-un grajd, femeile separat. Dar nu întâmplător s-au purtat bine cu noi, trebuiau să ne ducă la Simferopol iar drumul lung puţin probabil să-l fi făcut, din cauza extenuării. Pe 5 nov ne-au transportat într-o maşină închisă la Simferopol. Pe drum a murit L..., trupul i l-au lăsat se pare la Marfovka. La sosire în Simferopol, G..., Ş... şi H... au fost separaţi de noi, erau toţi foarte slăbiţi. Mai târziu am auzit că ultimii doi au murit. La Simferopol ne-au dus la Statul major al Corpului de armată român, în jurul nostru s-au strâns mulţi ofiţeri şi soldaţi români. Apoi a ieşit generalul principal român cu alţi generali şi ofiţeri superiori. A rostit o cuvântare, care ne-a fost tradusă în limba rusă.
" Uitaţi-vă la oamenii ăştia, şi-au îndeplinit îndatoririle militare până la capăt, este un exemplu pentru noi toţi. Dacă soldaţii şi ofiţerii români luptau aşa bine, noi şi armata germană am fi învins deja Sovietele ". Aceste aprecieri au fost pentru noi neaşteptate şi plăcute. Apoi generalul a spus că trebuie să ne predea în mâna serviciului german de securitate SD ".

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Posted: December 28, 2017 06:30 pm
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In the last days of oct. 1941 the German troops of gen. Manstein’s 11.Army broke the Soviet defense at the Perekop isthmus. For the defenders of Crimeea the problem was now : will they be able to withdraw to Sevastopol and defend here before the Germans get close to the city? In order to overtake the retreating troops of the Soviet Coastal Army, the German Command has set up a formation (Large Unit) - the so-called "Ziegler Brigade" ...

http://warspot.ru/5014-legenda-o-brigade-tsiglera

Here is the translation :
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mV8QPiECyG...iew?usp=sharing
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