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U260diver
Posted: October 29, 2006 06:59 pm
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Hi list,

Does anybody know were the S-57 mine barrage was what probably sunk the German cargo ship Arkadia?

Arkadia first name was Amsel build in 1927- in 1934 transferred to Argo line and became Arkadia - tonnage 1756.

Has somebody maybe more info about the Arkadia - photo's etc?

And is there someone who has more technical info about the Locotenent Stoicescu who sunk during a storm in the Capul Tuzla Area?
Yesterday i found a wreck between Costinesti and Capul Tuzla - seems old for me, ribbons, boiler and a lot of copper and bronze. in the area of this wreck they mentioned a small wreck with machine guns - can be the LT. Stoicescu??

Thx in advance...


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Posted: October 29, 2006 09:02 pm
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Posted: October 29, 2006 10:11 pm
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Arkadia - Atlas- Levant-Linie AG; built 1927 by AG Neptun, Rostock, 1756gt, 276.1 x 42-2 x17, 10kts.
29/4/41 KM, transport; 28/4/43 struck mine, sunk, 10m NE of Constanta; 46 raised; 46 USSR.

I understand good... this ship is raised in 1946??
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Posted: October 30, 2006 07:49 pm
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Hello U 260,

here there is no message the ARKADIA after 1945 was saved.
Which depth of water is with position 41,18 N 18,49 E?
Down everything at data to the ship, unfortunately only into German.
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0953.) ss AMSEL QMFT DODC
24.5./21.7.1927 AG "Neptun", Rostock (409)
1756/790 4975/2237 2585/2413/2375
84,15 12,85 4,85 5,37 m
3fE 600x970x1575/1050 1600 2 14,0 444
Werft 23 (Pas. 4)
(18.7.1927) "Amsel" N D L, Bremen (DEU). 1933 (Argo Reederei AG). 1934 KR entfällt. 7.9.1935 A L L AG. 15.4.1936 "Arkadia". 26.8.1939 an Haidar Pasha (Reise Hamburg - Istanbul). 1941 Kriegsmarine Transporter Schwarzmeer (29.4.1941). 29.4.1941 zur Ägäis überführt und 11.5. an Rhodos. 1941 1. Kretastaffel (Juni1941). 1943 Transporter Schwarzmeer. 28./29.4.1943 vor Konstanza nach Minentreffer gesunken


16. AMSEL GE 1T (11)
1,756 Norddeutscher Lloyd, Bremen 276.1 x 42.2
C Akt. Ges. "Neptun", Rostock (7) #409
33 - s/o (Argo Reed. A.G., mgr.)
35 - Atlas-Levante Linie A.G. (D. L. L. G.m.b.H.), Bremen
36 - ARKADIA s/o
Mined and sunk 29 April 1943, off Constantza


29. 4. 43
D da Arkadia 27 1756 + eigene Sperre 41.18 N 18.49 E M
D PM R 36 39 125 § eigene Sperre n. Konstanza M
D PM R 165 125 = eigene Sperre n. Konstanza M


Arkadia ( .5.27) 7.27 S/S Amsel (NDL, Bremen); 1.7.34 Argo, Bremen; 1.8.35 ALL; 4.36 Umbenennung: Arkadia;
29.4.41 Transporter Schwarzmeer; 5.41 zur Ägäis überführt; 6.41 1.Kretastaffel; 1943 Transporter Schwarzmeer;
28.4.43 + 10 sm no. Konstanza / Mine

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Posted: October 31, 2006 06:34 pm
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Hello Theo,

Many thanks for the information about the Arkadia. It seems strange for me that the ship was raised after the war. I checked the coordinates 41-18N / 18-49E but they are not correct. It brings me between Italy and Yugoslavia in the Adriatic.

Do you have maybe more information about ships during the war what sunk in the black sea and in particular Romanian territorial waters? You have a idea if there is a photo exciting from the Arkadia?

German is no problem for me.

Thank you in advance
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Posted: October 31, 2006 06:42 pm
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Till now i found no S-57 mine barrage, was this a Romanian barrage?

The same day as the Arkadia sunk also Raumboat R 36 when she was planting boys. Does someone know to which unit this ship belong or more detailed info?

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Posted: November 01, 2006 06:47 am
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QUOTE (U260diver @ October 31, 2006 09:42 pm)
...when she was planting boys.

:P maybe you mean "buoys" :lol:
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Posted: November 01, 2006 08:43 am
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I was thinking that we talk here about events during the second world war, but I understand its also a forum in corrections and teaching people about language.

Well Messerschmitt in this case I thank you very much for your great contribution.

But when we talk to the point, you forgot to mention that I maybe also mean Räumboote (Raumboat - German and English in one word??)

But what about the buoys... or mines from barrage S-57 .... you have also some great contribution for that??


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Posted: November 01, 2006 07:33 pm
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Messerschmitt, avoid taking up the bad habit of correcting typing errors. They happen, no need to make a big fuss of it. Let's try to be more mature about this, shall we?
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Posted: November 01, 2006 07:37 pm
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The 3. Rb Flotille (stationed in the Black Sea) had in 1943 the Rb-35 and the Rb-37. Maybe the Rb-36 had been assigned to it before its loss.
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Posted: November 01, 2006 09:06 pm
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Victor thx for the info!

hope i stay on topic?

The R37, i found on the forum that it was attacked at 26-04-44 near Constanta by 12 aircraft's. Is it known if she sunk or was she only damaged?

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