Romanian Military History Forum - Part of Romanian Army in the Second World War Website



  Reply to this topicStart new topicStart Poll

> Antonescu pin badge
mihai
Posted: July 22, 2006 04:17 am
Quote Post


Sublocotenent
*

Group: Members
Posts: 450
Member No.: 30
Joined: July 08, 2003



No,Pin badge relationed Marchal Antpnesc,
Does any one have any ides if tit's original?
(IMG:http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9598/img1006172la1.th.jpg)
source:ebay.

MIhai
PM
Top
aviatiadasenzatia
Posted: August 26, 2006 05:25 am
Quote Post


Sergent
*

Group: Members
Posts: 177
Member No.: 391
Joined: November 18, 2004



The pin is authentic , there is as well a similar medal . The "bad" think is that there are "new" , I mean there are manufactured in our days. But who cares , the execution is exquisite.
PMEmail Poster
Top
New Connaught Ranger
Posted: August 26, 2006 09:44 am
Quote Post


Colonel
*

Group: Members
Posts: 941
Member No.: 770
Joined: January 03, 2006



QUOTE (aviatiadasenzatia @ August 26, 2006 05:25 am)
The pin is authentic , there is as well a similar medal . The "bad" think is that there are "new" , I mean there are manufactured in our days. But who cares , the execution is exquisite.

Hallo aviatiadasenzatia,

with regards your comment, how can it be "Authentic" if its being made today? do you mean Authentic copy of an old original, or Authentic fantasy piece designed to sell to an unsuspecting collector???

And hopefully the people who are making these "New" items are not also copying other "Old" items. :blink:

When I buy and historical object I want the real deal, not something fabricated a few days before ;) in some guys garage / workshop.

Does the seller on ebay declare the object he is selling to be newly made? or is he trying to get rich quick.

Kevin in Deva :D
PMEmail Poster
Top
aviatiadasenzatia
Posted: August 27, 2006 08:29 pm
Quote Post


Sergent
*

Group: Members
Posts: 177
Member No.: 391
Joined: November 18, 2004



Kevin , an authentic stuff is not necessary to be old . A pair of Levi's can be authentic even are not 100 years old ! Don't be ridiculous with such kind of questions ! If a badge is made these days by someone's will (even you can order a badge from Monetaria Nationala ) it doesn't mean is a fake or someone wants to get rich from this.
PMEmail Poster
Top
New Connaught Ranger
Posted: August 27, 2006 09:19 pm
Quote Post


Colonel
*

Group: Members
Posts: 941
Member No.: 770
Joined: January 03, 2006



Dear Sir,

To the collectors of any historical object s, Authentic means: it can be dated to a specific time period in history.

The pin shown, in this post if a reproduction of an original is just that a REPRODUCTION.

If the pin is an original from the time of Antonescu and can be Authenticated (proved) then you can use the word authentic.

By your definition, a recently made copy of a Nazi Iron Cross, faked in Russia, is an authentic item. :o

Just what was the seller of this Antonescu pin badge claiming on his auction page, that it came from the time of 1940s?? or was a recently made item from Romania.??

The reference to Levi jeans, can only be taken in context with when the item was made, by looking at the differeant styles, colours, and materials a "Levi collector" (and I am sure they exsist) would be able to date the item or prove it was a copy from China.

Quite a lot of "Authentic" objects are made for one reason and one reason only, to fool the buyer into believing the object he is buying is an original one, that again can be linked to a specific time and place in history, or a specific political event.

And again I doubt if anybody would ever order just one badge from the Monetaria Nationala as the cost would be to much to pay for the design, fabrication of the object.

Maybe you dont care what you spend your hard earned money on, but I do, my specific intrest in collecting is European Military Medals from 1866 to 1945, I have over 550 pieces in my collection including a couple of items that were sold to me as originals in my early collecting days, and subsequently turned out to be reproductions, I keep them as a reminder that there are people out there who lie and cheat to make money.

Kevin in Deva.
PMEmail Poster
Top
boonicootza
Posted: August 27, 2006 09:43 pm
Quote Post


Plutonier adjutant
*

Group: Members
Posts: 378
Member No.: 135
Joined: November 03, 2003



New Connaught Ranger, what aviatiadasenzatia means is that the pin is new like the medals awarded now by the goverment. It's not from ww2 or a fantasy item trying to fool someone, that's clear if you pay atention to the badge, it has the year of Antonescu's death, 1946.
I don't know how "official" it is, which I suspect it's not, but I'm sure it's an "original" and new badge at the same time.

Take care!
PMEmail PosterYahoo
Top
New Connaught Ranger
Posted: August 28, 2006 07:11 am
Quote Post


Colonel
*

Group: Members
Posts: 941
Member No.: 770
Joined: January 03, 2006



Hallo boonicootza, :D

thanks for your comments, but I still stand behind my comments about REPRODUCTIONS and FANTASY PIECES being made to fool buyers.

With regards the medals now being awarded by the government, judging by the ones I have handeled, they are very poor quality, seems the cheapest method and materials of construction were chosen.

Kevin in Deva :D
PMEmail Poster
Top
b737
Posted: August 28, 2006 08:58 am
Quote Post


Plutonier major
*

Group: Members
Posts: 311
Member No.: 390
Joined: November 18, 2004



QUOTE (New Connaught Ranger @ August 27, 2006 09:19 pm)

The pin shown, in this post if a reproduction of an original is just that a REPRODUCTION


The reference to Levi jeans, can only be taken in context with when the item was made, by looking at the differeant styles, colours, and materials a "Levi collector" (and I am sure they exsist) would be able to date the item or prove it was a copy from China.


Maybe you dont care what you spend your hard earned money on, but I do, my specific intrest in collecting is European Military Medals from 1866 to 1945, I have over 550 pieces in my collection including a couple of items that were sold to me as originals in my early collecting days, and subsequently turned out to be reproductions, I keep them as a reminder that there are people out there who lie and cheat to make money.

Kevin in Deva.

Hi Kevin,
This pin is not a reproduction it is a original ! It was issued after 1990 together with the medal that has the same obverse.

A lot of companys have misplaced their manufacture to China so don't wonder if some "originals" made in USA or Germany are in fact comming from China!!! But this subject is not the point of this discution.

I think that we are all grown enough and have experience in collecting. Some with more experience some with less! I don't think that one of us would buy deliberate a fake instead an original!

Regarding the new medals awarded by the government, even if the quality is low they are originals!!!

PMEmail Poster
Top
aviatiadasenzatia
Posted: August 29, 2006 12:26 pm
Quote Post


Sergent
*

Group: Members
Posts: 177
Member No.: 391
Joined: November 18, 2004



QUOTE
If the pin is an original from the time of Antonescu and can be Authenticated (proved) then you can use the word authentic.


I think you didn't payed enough attention at this pin. It can't be from Antonescu's times because is engraved with : 1882-1946 (the period of his life) . So this pin could be issued just after his death. I have no ideea how much do you know about the Romanian history , but let me inform you that after Antonescu's death until 1990 , Ion Antonescu was a tabu subject. More than Musolini in Italy , or Franco in Spain , or even Hitler in Germany. No one , and I mean it NO ONE talked about this subject .
Anyway my oppinion is that you were out off toppic because the initial question was if that pin is authentic . Do not judge me about the example (not definition) with the pair of Levi's . It is a shallow judgement.
PMEmail Poster
Top
dragos03
Posted: August 29, 2006 09:08 pm
Quote Post


Capitan
*

Group: Members
Posts: 641
Member No.: 163
Joined: December 13, 2003



I agree with b737. This badge is authentic but it's not an old piece, it was issued after 1989.
PM
Top
Victor
Posted: September 12, 2006 03:28 pm
Quote Post


Admin
Group Icon

Group: Admin
Posts: 4349
Member No.: 3
Joined: February 11, 2003



A similar medal was made in 1996 at the order of the Pitesti County Museum. It is probably when the pins were also made.
PMEmail PosterUsers Website
Top
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

Topic Options Reply to this topicStart new topicStart Poll

 






[ Script Execution time: 0.0267 ]   [ 14 queries used ]   [ GZIP Enabled ]