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Posted: June 22, 2006 07:01 am
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I'm an Italian modeller and particulary interested about ROMANIAN AF during II WW. I woudl like to build a 1/48 HS 129 model and I got some decal from Tauro model of the aircraft nr 120a. This aircraft is also depict with an overall green camo, not the original German two tone of green camo. Is it correct??
I'm also looking for the info about this particulary aircraft, a photo of the aircraft and a scan of the Sqn patch if possible
I thanks everybody for the help
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Posted: June 22, 2006 07:24 am
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Posted: June 22, 2006 08:03 am
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about the suffix "a"

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Letters as suffix (not prefix) were used on German-origin combat aircraft - on loan from the Luftwaffe - probably in order not to mix the total (highest) number of a certain type of aircraft received by ARR with the aircraft received as replacement (as all combat losses were supposed to be replaced by the Germans). Of course, there were exceptions, but I believe that was the reason behind this odd practice (which, by the way, greatly hinders the historians' efforts to find out the actual number of a certain type of aircraft employed by ARR).

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Posted: June 22, 2006 01:52 pm
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QUOTE (1.JAVA_nijssie @ Jun 22 2006, 08:03 AM)
about the suffix "a"

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Letters as suffix (not prefix) were used on German-origin combat aircraft - on loan from the Luftwaffe - probably in order not to mix the total (highest) number of a certain type of aircraft received by ARR with the aircraft received as replacement (as all combat losses were supposed to be replaced by the Germans). Of course, there were exceptions, but I believe that was the reason behind this odd practice (which, by the way, greatly hinders the historians' efforts to find out the actual number of a certain type of aircraft employed by ARR).

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Dear friends
thanks for the info, but I'm still looking for to get right info if the upper camo was completely green or two tone of green.
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Posted: June 22, 2006 05:12 pm
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I woudl like to build a 1/48 HS 129 model and I got some decal from Tauro model of the aircraft nr 120a. This aircraft is also depict with an overall green camo, not the original German two tone of green camo. Is it correct??


If the decals are for estern front ( crosses ) the cammo should be german two tone green (with washabale white paint spots cammo in the winter ).
If the decals are from west front (with cokades) could be correct also the green camo (olive green)
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I'm also looking for the info about this particulary aircraft, a photo of the aircraft and a scan of the Sqn patch if possible


This is a picture of the "Grupul 8 Asalt " emblem. Source "Aripi romanesti "magazine
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Posted: June 22, 2006 06:35 pm
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QUOTE (Cantacuzino @ Jun 22 2006, 11:12 PM)
If the decals are for estern front ( crosses ) the cammo should be german two tone green (with washabale white paint spots cammo in the winter ).
If the decals are from west front (with cokades) could be correct also the green camo (olive green)

That si incorrect. Both on the anti-Soviet (Eastern Front) and anti-Axis (Western Front) there were Hs 129s painted in the original Luftwaffe camouflage colours (RLM 70/71/65), and ARR camouflage colours (approx. Olive Green upper surfaces over Light Blue under surfaces).

You have to check the individual photos for the details (often, the photos won't help you either).

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QUOTE (Cantacuzino @ Jun 22 2006, 11:17 PM)
This is a picture of the "Grupul 8 Asalt " emblem.

This emblem was never painted on aircraft.

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QUOTE (Cantacuzino @ Jun 22 2006, 11:17 PM)
This is a picture of the "Grupul 8 Asalt " emblem. 


This emblem was never painted on aircraft.

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Yes. But Luigino asked for a scan of Sqn.patch.
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QUOTE (Cantacuzino @ Jun 22 2006, 11:12 PM)
If the decals are for estern front ( crosses ) the cammo should be german two tone green (with washabale white paint spots cammo in the winter ).
If the decals are from west front (with cokades) could be correct also the green camo (olive green) 


That si incorrect. Both on the anti-Soviet (Eastern Front) and anti-Axis (Western Front) there were Hs 129s painted in the original Luftwaffe camouflage colours (RLM 70/71/65), and ARR camouflage colours (approx. Olive Green upper surfaces over Light Blue under surfaces).

You have to check the individual photos for the details (often, the photos won't help you either).

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When we received the planes from Luftwaffe all ( Hs 129) were two tone green cammo and they fight on estern front almost a year. No reason to be overpainted with olive green in this perioad without a complete revision at IAR Brasov or ASAM factories.
After 23 august '44 many used planes (including some Hs 129 ) were revised in ASAM's factories and overpainted with olivegreen.
Ofcourse only quality pictures could help to be 100% correctly.
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Posted: June 24, 2006 06:51 am
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dear friends
thanks a lot for You info.
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