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Posted: March 16, 2006 10:44 am
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Hello again!

A few days ago I've got this order of the star, officers class, including the case.
Is it an original piece? And why I can't find a stamp of the MN?

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Oh, I fogot to say that there was also this crimean shield given to the same officer:

http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=krim3mz.jpg

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Posted: March 16, 2006 11:09 am
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QUOTE (crusader @ Mar 16 2006, 11:44 AM)
A few days ago I've got this order of the star, officers class, including the case.
Is it an original piece? And why I can't find a stamp of the MN?

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Not all badges were stamped by the National Mint. Now regarding your piece, the badge looks like the one on the Decorations section of this site. What drew my attention however was the narrow ribbon typical of German awards. Was it an award to a German officer?
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Posted: March 16, 2006 11:40 am
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Yes, indeet it was given to an german officer. Is it typical that these orders are given with such an ribbon and not with the romanian ribbon (I mean with the hook at the rear side) to germans? There was also a small ribbon given with, i think for minatures.

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Posted: March 16, 2006 12:24 pm
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QUOTE (crusader @ Mar 16 2006, 12:40 PM)
Yes, indeet it was given to an german officer. Is it typical that these orders are given with such an ribbon and not with the romanian ribbon (I mean with the hook at the rear side) to germans?

Thanks for the reply. Actually, I was referring to the width of the ribbon, not to the presence of a hook on its back. Romanian ribbons are somewhere between 3.5 and 4 mm wide (roughly equivalent to the width of the cross), while yours appears much narrow. What is its width?
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Posted: March 16, 2006 12:43 pm
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The greater ribbon is measuring 2,5cm (wich means in mm for red-gold-siver... approx. 1-2-2-14-2-2-1), the small one 1,5cm (approx. 0.5-1-1-9-1-1-0.5). So it is smaller than expected and also smaller than german ones, which are normally 3,0cm or more. Do you know what is the reason for this?

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Posted: March 16, 2006 01:38 pm
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It looks original. Gilting is a bit different but I would say late war variation. A little on the heavy side which makes it seam like it is cast. What stands out is that the enameling is all correct. This is something that will never be duplicated by someone producing fakes today. If you study enameling and how it was produced during the period versus how it is produced on badges today, as well as study the color of pigmentation then and now, you can immediately recognize if a piece is genuine.
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Posted: March 16, 2006 08:37 pm
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That's an interesting information! Could you give me some datails where I can found more to read about enameling?

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Posted: March 17, 2006 01:39 am
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There is no information that I know of that is in written form describing enameling on orders for collectors. Some of the old time orders collectors who collect world orders can educate you to the process used for enameling in the 1800's, early 1900's and today. It has changed over the years as well as the pigmentation of these enamels. Knowledge comes from years of collecting, seeing original pieces, and talking with advance collectors. The study of enamel work and pigmentation can be researched on your own. I have been the enamel business since 1981 and have been collecting orders since 1976. It has been self education as to how enamelling on orders have been produced then and now. With this knowledge, you can spot fakes as the enameling and pigmentation can not be fully duplicated from the methods used years ago.
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Posted: March 19, 2006 02:40 pm
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What do you think about this Star of Romania? The enamel is restorated.

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Posted: March 19, 2006 03:36 pm
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It is a piece made by Kretly, it is an early model from this order...! The unification order was manufactured also by Kretly!
The blue enameling must to be restored completely, the cross is painted with black paint!!!!

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Posted: March 19, 2006 04:41 pm
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QUOTE (b737 @ Mar 19 2006, 04:36 PM)
It is a piece made by Kretly, it is an early model from this order...! The unification order was manufactured also by Kretly!

Do you know during what period did Krétly manufacture Romanian orders? From 1864 until ...
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QUOTE (Carol I @ Mar 19 2006, 04:41 PM)
QUOTE (b737 @ Mar 19 2006, 04:36 PM)
It is a piece made by Kretly, it is an early model from this order...! The unification order was manufactured also by Kretly!

Do you know during what period did Krétly manufacture Romanian orders? From 1864 until ...

If I remember well, Kretly was "asimilated" by Artus Bertrand until 1900 or something like that....
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Posted: March 19, 2006 05:07 pm
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Is the ribbon original ? Does the order worth 200 ron?
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Posted: March 19, 2006 05:25 pm
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QUOTE (b737 @ Mar 19 2006, 05:58 PM)
QUOTE (Carol I @ Mar 19 2006, 04:41 PM)
QUOTE (b737 @ Mar 19 2006, 04:36 PM)
It is a piece made by Kretly, it is an early model from this order...! The unification order was manufactured also by Kretly!

Do you know during what period did Krétly manufacture Romanian orders? From 1864 until ...

If I remember well, Kretly was "asimilated" by Artus Bertrand until 1900 or something like that....

Then it is something suspicious about it. The piece is said to be marked and Romanian silver was started to be marked only from 1906. <_<
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QUOTE (Carol I @ Mar 19 2006, 05:25 PM)
QUOTE (b737 @ Mar 19 2006, 05:58 PM)
QUOTE (Carol I @ Mar 19 2006, 04:41 PM)
QUOTE (b737 @ Mar 19 2006, 04:36 PM)
It is a piece made by Kretly, it is an early model from this order...! The unification order was manufactured also by Kretly!

Do you know during what period did Krétly manufacture Romanian orders? From 1864 until ...

If I remember well, Kretly was "asimilated" by Artus Bertrand until 1900 or something like that....

Then it is something suspicious about it. The piece is said to be marked and Romanian silver was started to be marked only from 1906. <_<

Is the hallmark a romanian hallmark????Is there a specification that it is a romanian silver mark?It could be the manufacturers mark!
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