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Posted: July 17, 2006 01:35 pm
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It turns out that Nösnergau was one of the original German names of the current Bistriţa:
Bistriţa [Bistriţiu, Bistriţă, Târgul Roşu] = Bistritz, Nösen [in Nösnerland, Nösnergau].

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Posted: July 17, 2006 01:39 pm
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QUOTE (Dénes @ July 17, 2006 01:35 pm)
It turns out that Nösnergau was one of the original German names of the current Bistriţa:
Bistriţa [Bistriţiu, Bistriţă, Târgul Roşu] = Bistritz, Nösen [in Nösnerland, Nösnergau].

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Not only Bistrita, it is the region.In German "GAU" means-district, region
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Posted: July 17, 2006 01:44 pm
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You're correct. That's why the dual names: Nösnerland, Nösnergau, both representing a wider area, not only a particular town.

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Posted: July 17, 2006 01:46 pm
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QUOTE (Dénes @ July 17, 2006 01:44 pm)
You're correct. That's why the dual names: Nösnerland, Nösnergau, both representing a wider area, not only a particular town.

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Posted: November 06, 2006 09:16 pm
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Here's whay I found today on eBay:

(IMG:http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2724/transylvaniabadgetr5.jpg)

There are three letters in the centre: I.O.V.

Could this be a badge for ethnic Transylvanian German war amputees? The odd-shape steel helmet makes me think otherwise.

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Posted: November 07, 2006 05:34 pm
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QUOTE (Dénes @ November 06, 2006 09:16 pm)
Here's whay I found today on eBay:

There are three letters in the centre: I.O.V.

Could this be a badge for ethnic Transylvanian German war amputees? The odd-shape steel helmet makes me think otherwise.

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IOV could mean Invaliden und Opfer Verein -Society for Invalids and Victims ?!!!
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Posted: November 07, 2006 07:52 pm
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QUOTE (Dénes @ November 06, 2006 09:16 pm)
Here's whay I found today on eBay:

(IMG:http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2724/transylvaniabadgetr5.jpg)

There are three letters in the centre: I.O.V.

Could this be a badge for ethnic Transylvanian German war amputees? The odd-shape steel helmet makes me think otherwise.

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I.O.V. could mean Inavizi-Orfani-Vaduve (Inavids-Orphans-Widows). This definitely should be a I.O.V. badge of Romanian veterans in Transylvania as it has the tricolour edge and the Adrian helmet over the Transylvanian coat of arms.
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Posted: March 28, 2007 02:00 pm
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QUOTE (b737 @ November 07, 2006 11:34 pm)
QUOTE (Dénes @ November 06, 2006 09:16 pm)
Here's whay I found today on eBay:

There are three letters in the centre: I.O.V.

Could this be a badge for ethnic Transylvanian German war amputees? The odd-shape steel helmet makes me think otherwise.

Gen. Dénes

IOV could mean Invaliden und Opfer Verein -Society for Invalids and Victims ?!!!

Another identical badge is on now sale, identified as "Bruststern der Offiziersvereinigung Siebenbürgen" (an original Nadel, emailliert, Größe ca. 58 mm).
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Posted: March 29, 2007 03:14 am
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QUOTE (Kepi @ November 07, 2006 07:52 pm)
QUOTE (Dénes @ November 06, 2006 09:16 pm)
Here's whay I found today on eBay:

(IMG:http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2724/transylvaniabadgetr5.jpg)

There are three letters in the centre: I.O.V.

Could this be a badge for ethnic Transylvanian German war amputees? The odd-shape steel helmet makes me think otherwise.

Gen. Dénes

I.O.V. could mean Inavizi-Orfani-Vaduve (Inavids-Orphans-Widows). This definitely should be a I.O.V. badge of Romanian veterans in Transylvania as it has the tricolour edge and the Adrian helmet over the Transylvanian coat of arms.

I agree with Kepi. This badge is for Inavizi-Orfani-Vaduve (Inavids-Orphans-Widows) of WW1.
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Posted: March 25, 2008 07:50 pm
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QUOTE (boonicootza @ March 23, 2008 10:23 pm)
Here is another one from Sibiu:


Why are you so sure that it is from Sibiu ??? The emblem on it is the transylvanian crest! As I know, this association had members all over Transylvania !
By the way, very nice piece,congratulations!
This is the coat of arms from Sibiu :

(IMG:http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/1120/g3vb9.th.jpg)
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Posted: March 25, 2008 08:51 pm
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Indeed, it's not only from Sibiu. This was the info I had from the seller.

This is Siebenbürgen:
(IMG:http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4152/karteic5.jpg)

If you google Siebenbürgischer Karpathenverein, it appears a conection with Hermannstadt (Sibiu) and I thought the seller was right.
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Posted: May 08, 2008 08:56 am
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Regarding the Székely Hadosztály badge I found something interesting on the net. This badge could be related at least on two important events. The first one is related to 1918 http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sz%C3%A9kely_Hadoszt%C3%A1ly and the second one to the 1919 events from Hungary : http://www.hhrf.org/erdelyinaplo/cikk_nyom...hp?id_cikk=2811. Unfortunately all the articles on the net about this regiment are written in Hungarian.
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Posted: May 08, 2008 04:07 pm
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The first article you linked from wikipedia doesnt says too much about Szekely Hadosztaly (Sekler Division, Divizia Secuiasca). It is said only in great lines that S. H. was located in Transylvania in 1918, joined other hungarian divisions trying to opose romanian troops who entered Transylvania and eventually that S. H. gave themselves as prisoniers to romanian troops. Also, some info about number of men and weapons of the division and the places it fought. The article covers only general informations about S.H.

The second one, from Erdely Naplo (Transylvanian Journal, Jurnalul ardelean) is written in propaganda manner. Practically the article says little and only partially true facts about S.H. The article present the S.H. as pure and imaculate heroes, fighting the romanian (olah - in text; valah - in text) and bolshevic hungarian troops in the same time, on 2 fronts.
In the rest, the most part of the article is only acusing the romanian army (and civilians) that they massacred a number of hungarian civilians.

I just made a short resume of the articles translating from original language of articles. The translation was made NOT to raise discussions, just to satisfy the curiosity of non-hungarian spokers.
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