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  Posted: January 15, 2011 07:01 am
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QUOTE (Amicus_Plato @ January 09, 2011 05:41 pm)
Eugen Ionesco was never a legionary

It's a doubtful affirmation, to say at least! But here's another thing: was he Romanian? Assuming these above-mentioned intellectuals remained in Romania after 1940-1944-1947 moments, don't you think they would have been exterminated?
And, last but not least, can you name a successful movement (succesful in the way of activating for a longer period, of doing the right thing for a nation / country / large group of people) which started its way with numerous assasination (including prime ministers: Duca, Iorga, Argeşanu)?!?!


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Posted: January 15, 2011 07:44 am
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QUOTE (MMM @ January 15, 2011 01:01 pm)
And, last but not least, can you name a successful movement (succesful in the way of activating for a longer period, of doing the right thing for a nation / country / large group of people) which started its way with numerous assasination?!?!

Yes, the Zionist movement, for example. Initially the Zionists carried out many killings, explosions and other violent acts against the British and the UN personnel. Their activity was eventually successful, they reached their goal.

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  Posted: January 15, 2011 08:17 am
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QUOTE (Dénes @ January 15, 2011 10:44 am)
they reached their goal.


Did they? Eventually, maybe, but what was the cost? The Holocaust - and look how things are right now in Israel...
BTW, nice counter-example to the extreme-right movement of the Legion! tongue.gif


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Posted: January 15, 2011 10:03 am
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QUOTE (Dénes @ January 15, 2011 09:44 am)
Yes, the Zionist movement, for example. Initially the Zionists carried out many killings, explosions and other violent acts against the British and the UN personnel. Their activity was eventually successful, they reached their goal.

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I think MMM was referring to violent activity directed against their own government. In this case it was more of a "liberation" unit.
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Posted: January 15, 2011 03:37 pm
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QUOTE (MMM @ January 15, 2011 07:01 am)
QUOTE (Amicus_Plato @ January 09, 2011 05:41 pm)
Eugen Ionesco was never a legionary

It's a doubtful affirmation, to say at least! But here's another thing: was he Romanian? Assuming these above-mentioned intellectuals remained in Romania after 1940-1944-1947 moments, don't you think they would have been exterminated?

Perhaps you confuse Eugen Ionescu with Nae Ionescu. Eugen Ionescu never had pro-Legionary opinions, on the contrary, he was always on the left. AFAIK his mother had some French ancestry (some sources says Jewish, but I doubt), his father was purely Romanian. Physically exterminated I doubt, but they would have had to endure a lot of sufferances and their chance to express their true ideas would have been null.
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QUOTE (Dénes @ January 15, 2011 07:44 am)
QUOTE (MMM @ January 15, 2011 01:01 pm)
And, last but not least, can you name a successful movement (succesful in the way of activating for a longer period, of doing the right thing for a nation / country / large group of people) which started its way with numerous assasination?!?!

Yes, the Zionist movement, for example. Initially the Zionists carried out many killings, explosions and other violent acts against the British and the UN personnel. Their activity was eventually successful, they reached their goal.

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The State of Israel was not created as a result of terrorist actions performed by some Zionist groups, but in order to solve what was called the "Jewish question" in Europe. The British were not intimidated at all by the Zionist terrorist organizations from those times.
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Posted: January 15, 2011 04:28 pm
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QUOTE (Amicus_Plato @ January 15, 2011 06:37 pm)
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QUOTE (Amicus_Plato @ January 09, 2011 05:41 pm)
Eugen Ionesco was never a legionary

It's a doubtful affirmation, to say at least! But here's another thing: was he Romanian? Assuming these above-mentioned intellectuals remained in Romania after 1940-1944-1947 moments, don't you think they would have been exterminated?

Perhaps you confuse Eugen Ionescu with Nae Ionescu. Eugen Ionescu never had pro-Legionary opinions, on the contrary, he was always on the left. AFAIK his mother had some French ancestry (some sources says Jewish, but I doubt), his father was purely Romanian. Physically exterminated I doubt, but they would have had to endure a lot of sufferances and their chance to express their true ideas would have been null.

1. I didn't mention Eugene Ionesco the first time on this thread and I know pretty well the difference between the ideologist and the dramatist, thanks!
2. As for Eugene Ionesco's "Romanity", I was referring rather to the factr that he was appropriated by the French culture - not without reason, one might say; I strongly doubt that in the last decades of his life he thought / reffered / considered himself Romanian; mostly, of Romanian descent!


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QUOTE (MMM @ January 15, 2011 04:28 pm)
1. I didn't mention Eugene Ionesco the first time on this thread and I know pretty well the difference between the ideologist and the dramatist, thanks!
2. As for Eugene Ionesco's "Romanity", I was referring rather to the factr that he was appropriated by the French culture - not without reason, one might say; I strongly doubt that in the last decades of his life he thought / reffered / considered himself Romanian; mostly, of Romanian descent!

1. Then please quote any serious source which claims Eugen Ionescu having pro-Legionary or any other pro-right opinions. All his work and attitudes shows him being on the left.
2. He felt more "at home" in the French culture than in the Romanian one, and he wrote the works for which he is celebrated in French, so it is normal that he was appropriated by the French culture. Did he ever consider himself a "Romanian writer"?
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