Ju-87D-5 no.14

1.JAVA_nijssie, you are new here. The rules regarding the posting of pictures are:

Please mention the source for the images above.

can't this be considered a source ?

This post has been edited by D13-th_Mytzu on September 04, 2005 06:26 pm

that would have been the last from me from today. next time i will do it the otherway arround

would this be ok like this?

isbn 5-0901-266-01-3




This post has been edited by 1.JAVA_nijssie on September 04, 2005 06:44 pm

can't this be considered a source ?

I tell you i have many pieces of articles that i clipped over the years that now are emerging in books. Not that in itself is bad but i see no credits to the orginals which (at least from the books etc i have) say they are.

For example

i had in holland ( thats where i live) a unfriendly conversation with a man that claimed some pics of dutch planes .

His claim was: i bought the photo's from a guy that worked in a luftwaffe photo lab and stole the negatives and then he sold them to me.

I told him

1 you bought stolen goods
2 The copyright owning was of a member of a state that is not arround anymore

if that is the case we have 2 options

option 1 We give the credit back to the person that took the pic (in wich case copy right no longer is an issue)
option 2 it was handed over to the new administration. If this is the case is pics will belong in the realm of public property.

Never ever heard from him again. ( edit spelling)

edit again: i was willing to get a judge on this and i made clear i was ready.. no luck ..no show

Now this is a dutch conversation. I wonder how is it on this side?

This post has been edited by 1.JAVA_nijssie on September 05, 2005 10:24 am

can't this be considered a source ?

No. The rules are clear and need to be respected, especially sicne it usually doesn't require a terrible effort to provide sources.

It was a joke Victor ...you know, I never saw you smile

I have to say that this is the only forum where stating the source of a photograph is a must (the only I know of) and considering that almost no one reads the forum guidelines (it's a human thing) it is notmal to have this kind of input.

And since I was OT till now I would like to ask a question: if one has a picture in his house without knowing where that came from, is he forbidden to post it in here because he cannot state the source ?

If you own the photograph itself, than you can obviously do whatever you please with it. If by "photo in your house" you mean "photo taken from a site I don't remember", than obviously, you aren't allowed to post it.

Btw, this is not the only forum where sources for photographs are required. It is just a matter of common sense to mention sources for texts and photos published in different materials. Someone has worked to write the text or find and publish that photo. It usually angers me to see texts from our website just copied and pasted on other sites, without a mention of where the text was taken from. We don't gain any money from this site, so at least we would like some respect for our work. So, since it bothers me to see things simply stolen from here, I would imagine others will also be bothered. Like I said, it's a matter of common sense. Also, please do not compare this forum with the Il-2 forum for gamers, as they are of a different category and serve a different purpouse. Compare it, if you wish with teh Axis History Forum, where the exact same policy exists.

Now that the issue of photos was discussed, I hope that you will understand and respect the rules we have here and will get back to the original topic.

I never doubted that, please read my post again
However I never liked to mark my words/pictures/you name it, I belive in the freedom of information and fi anyone wants to mention me as a source than I apreciate that but I do not find it as a MUST. Anyway, I do think naming sources in this forum is a good thing, but lets take nijssie's example: he collected over the years photos from different sources (books, magazines, etc.) now he is posting some of them in here trying to be helpful, but ofcourse he cannot remember where each photo came from, so is it wise not to post them because he cannot name the source ?

This post has been edited by D13-th_Mytzu on September 05, 2005 05:23 pm

I am sure that 1.JAVA_nijssie is trying to be helpfull, but, like I said, rules are meant to be respected.

Not trying to be difficult but think of this.

Take what ever luftwaffe picture
so to whom belong the copyright? the one that have a copy? or even the negatives? Or the reich? or the allies?

Copy right in the EU is something i looked into and for fact many claims in books are false. ( see former post)

But i think for such a minor contributor i already stepped out of place, so i will delete every pic i posted.
D13-th_Mytzu will you plse do the same? thank you


copyright is a difficult thing. As i said


However, i still would like to know how this copy thingy works in your country

This post has been edited by 1.JAVA_nijssie on September 06, 2005 08:29 pm

It doesn't

I think it's very simple. If the picture was made by Luftwaffe ( PKK ), today the copyright/permission should be from German National Archiv. If the picture was made by a luftwaffe officer with his own camera, today the copyright/permission belong to his relatives (if was not donated to a museum).

This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on September 07, 2005 04:16 am

O.K. Back to the topic.

Here is a photo of Ju 87D-5, No. 14, seen in Slovakia in the late winter of 1944/1945. The inscription on the engine cowling is visible.

Gen. Dénes



This post has been edited by Dénes on September 08, 2005 01:39 am

Georg, you can add these photos to the thread on Romanian monuments in Hungary, Checz and Slovak Republics.

O.K. I will sent you this photos as soon as it will be possible. Probably at Friday.