Clasps of the Crusade Medal, Formerly known as "Rod"

Does anyone have any photos of German soldiers wearing this medal with bars ? I have only seen them wearing the medal without.

I saw some awarding certificates from this medal with bars awarded to german soldiers.

I have seen examples of these as well. However, I have not actually seen photographs of German soldiers actually wearing this medal with bars.

Hallo Gentlemen

I contacted the seller of the bars via ebay and asked the size of the bars,
his reply

"Thes are 25mm width, not including the folding tabs. Therefore I suppose they are the German issue." End of Reply.

I have a sample of Romanian ribbon at 38mm in width and a sample of German ribbon at 26mm.
The standard German ribbon width was about 25 / 26mm I believe for WW2 Medal bars.

The other thing I find strange is there is no hole in the bars for fixing the bars to the ribbon, it was hardly meant for them to slide up or down freely and the chances of losing them would be high, so I rate them as REPRO / FAKE.

Kevin in Deva

I saw some awarding certificates from this medal with bars awarded to german soldiers.

An example from the first page of this thread.

Are these fakes as well?

Originally posted by Dénes

See another envelope in an earlier post by Dénes.

From what I see in the last 5 or 6 posts, it all appears to be original. I am wondereing about the German made bars. They made them also in gold and silver ?

I saw some awarding certificates from this medal with bars awarded to german soldiers.

An example from the first page of this thread.

Interesting to note that the Brevet specificaqlly denotes a silver bar. Why silver insted of gold ?

Actually the "metals" were 'bronze' and 'silvered'.

Actually the "metals" were 'bronze' and 'silvered'.

According to Mr Calianu's book the recipients of silvered bars must have participated to all the battles in the area of the location mentioned on the bar!

Mr Klietmann notes in his book that the recipients of such silvered bars sould have participated also to other battles that the one mentioned on the bar!

This post has been edited by b737 on July 24, 2006 07:59 am

Calianu's explanation makes more sense: those who participated only to a few battles received the bronze clasp, while those who participated to all the major battles received the silvered one.

On the other hand, Klietmann's explanation that the first clasp received was bronze and all the subsequent ones were silvered implies that all awards of the medal with a clasp should be with a bronze one (while the subsequent awards should be silvered clasps only, without the medal). This is however contradicted by the certificate above (unless irregularities did exist).

Hallo Gentlemen

Again with regards this thread and the medal and bars in question I will repeat, unless Photographic or documentry evidence is produced then it remains in the fantasy world, hearsay is not conclusive evidence.



Sample of the German made Ribbon for the Romanian "Crusade against Communisum Medal 1941" on the left, and original Romanian Ribbon for the same award, the difference in width is about 10mm.

And if we take it that this bar is supposed to be folded at the edges it clearly is too small for the original Romanian ribbon:



Kevin in Deva

This post has been edited by New Connaught Ranger on July 24, 2006 06:41 pm

That is why I have originally asked if anyone has any photographic examples of Germans wearing bars. I have not seen any. I have only seen a handful of Romanian Brevets issued to German soldiers that indicate silver bars being awarded. I am assuming that they were issued. However, under the conditions the Germans were in, I don't think that they took the time to sew these bars on their uniforms and if they were capturd by the Russians, these bars would not look so hot for the soldier. My geuss.

Kingdom of Romania - Medal award document dated 1943 - The Medal for the Crusade Against Communism - With Campaign Bar KRIM (Crimea) silvered. To a Wachtmeister SCHIERMEIER of the German army unit D.V.K. fighting on the Russian front. Brevet from Ebay.