Soviet Biological weapon, WW2 ~ PRAVDA, Infected rats used to spread disease

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Read the above link, as well as this thick book published by "someone who knows what he's talking about" (" , ")

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0385334966...018#reader-link !

This post has been edited by Der Maresal on February 23, 2005 06:33 pm

Thouse guys are not just sitting there plotting propaganda like you think, maby you are a victim of the old jewish anti-nazi propaganda.
If they can suport theyr theory is nothing wrong whit that.

Got that? The source _you_ quote does _not_ believe that the tularemia epidemic was man-made. Don't you find it comical that you yourself quote a source that demolishes your point?

Thouse guys are not just sitting there plotting propaganda like you think, maby you are a victim of the old jewish anti-nazi propaganda.
If they can suport theyr theory is nothing wrong whit that.

But they can't. Whenever they write anything, it's full of half-truths, distortions and bald-faced lies. Sometimes there is a truth in there, but since you have to wade through their muck to reach it, it's normally not worth your time.

BTW, don't you have things upside down? The "Jewish anti-nazi propaganda"... You surely meant we should beware of the _Nazi_ _anti-Jewish_ propaganda, right?

This post has been edited by Curioso on February 26, 2005 11:22 am

No not at all -
I put it so we can see the dispute between the Russian head of Biological Weapons program (who knows what he knows) and 'others' who try to find gaps in his story and discredit him.

read the phrase before that phrase:

Everybody had his own conclusion. The big question is: Were Rats used?? (Even if they did not spread disase, even if it occured naturally)

Were the Rats unleased to spread disease? That's what matters - the 'intent'!
Doctor Alibekov confirms it.

So who should we trust? The Chief of Russian Bio programm or the king of Logic?

Only Russian archives can tell.
(and they are probably not open for everyone to see)

Well, if the intent is what matters then we know that the Black Plague was a muslim biological weapon used to depopulate Europe and facilitate the Ottoman invasion.
The muslims probably unleashed some contaminated rats in christian ships and the latter sailed home with WMDs on board without even knowing it.

This would actually be a good story... but if you want to turn it into history, you'd need to have some proof, some documents etc. Otherwise it remains just another interesting story.

Following the same logic, I'm waiting for Pravda to say that the harshest winter in Russian history coincided with the German invasion because the Soviets used some kind of weather weapon...

Very well. So you quote a competent professional, an author that could rely on modern knowledge and methods, who happens to think you are totally wrong.

On the other hand, we have Alibek, who might have had ulterior motives, could not rely on modern knowledge and methods, and never gave us a bit of factual evidence. You know, something like "Doctor A developed a fesible weaponization on day 00.00.1942, at the B lab, and xxx unit of the Red Army deployed the infected rats at locations C, D and E on day 00.00.1942.". Never seen anything like that.

But of course there are the secret files. Your last resort in many other threads. Secret files in Moscow, secret files in Bucharest - and they would all support your most extravagant claims, but we can't see them, unfortunately. It's a matter of faith, with you.

No thanks. I do prefer logic, or, better yet, undisputable documentary evidence. You can't come to grips with logic and have no such evidence. So you'll pardon those of us who'll think your claims are, to use an euphemism, questionable.

I'm glad you also see on what kind of ground Maresal's tale is built. Thank you.