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Early IAR fighters vs. PZL

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Iamandi	Posted: December 15, 2004 11:20 am
General de divizie Group: Members Posts: 1386 Member No.: 319 Joined: August 04, 2004	Lets post some information here, begining with IAR 11, and so... Maybe some of you had pictures and accurate data. I write "vs." because PZL was choosen to equip our Air Force, not locally concepted planes. Iama

109	Posted: March 21, 2005 07:45 pm
Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 85 Member No.: 488 Joined: January 29, 2005	I found these in an old but excellent book, Romanian Aircraft Constructions 1905-1974 : Attached Image

109	Posted: March 21, 2005 07:46 pm
Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 85 Member No.: 488 Joined: January 29, 2005	Iar 14 Attached Image

109	Posted: March 21, 2005 07:47 pm
Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 85 Member No.: 488 Joined: January 29, 2005	IAR 15 Attached Image

109	Posted: March 21, 2005 07:48 pm
Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 85 Member No.: 488 Joined: January 29, 2005	Iar 16 Attached Image

109	Posted: March 21, 2005 07:49 pm
Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 85 Member No.: 488 Joined: January 29, 2005	And a beautiful little plane, Set XV, it reminds me of Gloster Gladiator, lovely plane: This post has been edited by 109 on March 21, 2005 10:17 pm Attached Image

109	Posted: March 21, 2005 08:06 pm
Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 85 Member No.: 488 Joined: January 29, 2005	Now the PZLs 11... Attached Image

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Posted: March 21, 2005 08:07 pm

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QUOTE (Iamandi @ Dec 15 2004, 12:20 PM)

Lets post some information here, begining with IAR 11, and so...
Maybe some of you had pictures and accurate data.
I write "vs." because PZL was choosen to equip our Air Force, not locally concepted planes.

Iama

I see... But - have you any answer?
Woj

109	Posted: March 21, 2005 08:10 pm
Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 85 Member No.: 488 Joined: January 29, 2005	And the 24: According to the specifications the PZLs were better than the IARs series 11-16 but but were plagued by technical problems. I remember a story of a Romanian engineer who built a home-made plane in mid 30' and simply humiliated the PZL 11s that tried to intercept him. This post has been edited by 109 on March 21, 2005 08:14 pm Attached Image

109	Posted: March 21, 2005 08:35 pm
Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 85 Member No.: 488 Joined: January 29, 2005	On the other hand the two groups of PZL 11fs (Gr3VT and Gr4Vt of Flotila3 VT)fared pretty well against soviet i-15/bis/152/153 and even i-16 in the first stages of WW2 in east acheving at least 60 kills! I doubt that a IAR-15/16 would managed that...

Dénes

Posted: March 21, 2005 09:34 pm

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QUOTE (109 @ Mar 22 2005, 01:45 AM)

I found these in an old but excellent book,
Romanian Aircraft Constructions 1905-1974 :

That book - although groundbreaking when originally published about 30 years ago - currently is dated.

Gen. Dénes

This post has been edited by Dénes on March 21, 2005 09:42 pm

109	Posted: March 21, 2005 10:08 pm
Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 85 Member No.: 488 Joined: January 29, 2005	It is old indeed , still pretty interesting considering that you can bearly find any info on some planes like the SET XV, to name only one...Try a Google search..see what you will find ...nada!

Imperialist	Posted: March 21, 2005 10:39 pm
General de armata Group: Members Posts: 2399 Member No.: 499 Joined: February 09, 2005	Great info, but where are the weapons specs? The book says fighter aircraft, but what are they fighting with? Maybe the PZL was better equipped with higher caliber cannon or machinegun than the IAR... take care -------------------- I

109	Posted: March 21, 2005 10:57 pm
Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 85 Member No.: 488 Joined: January 29, 2005	The IAR 11-16 series were all equipped with 2x7,7 mm MGs . As the book was published in the '70s this kind of info was still clasified The PZL 11F had four MG while the 24 had two MG and two cannons , quite impressive for 1939.

Dénes

Posted: March 21, 2005 11:14 pm

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QUOTE (109 @ Mar 22 2005, 04:57 AM)

while the [P]24 had two MG and two cannons , quite impressive for 1939.

The P.Z.L. P.24E in ARR service had only a pair of 7.92 mm MGs, quite inadequate for 1940...

Gen. Dénes

This post has been edited by Dénes on March 21, 2005 11:15 pm

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