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Carol I
Posted: February 06, 2005 09:04 pm
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QUOTE (igor_ost @ Feb 6 2005, 04:41 PM)
Averesku Alexandru - leurenant-general, kommander of 2nd Romanian Army, receive Order of St. George 4th class 09.06.1917.
Regele Ferdinand I was awarded the 3rd class of Order of st. George 15.03.1918 .

Thank you very much for the information. So there were only two orders of St. George awarded to the Romanian officers (in contrast to the 1877-8 war when there were three awards).
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Carol I
Posted: February 06, 2005 09:10 pm
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Regele Ferdinand I was awarded the 3rd class of Order of st. George 15.03.1918 .

Only now I have realised the date? Is 15 March 1918 the correct date for the award to King Ferdinand I? Who made the award? The Kerensky government had been overthrown on 25.10/07.11.1917, i.e., more than 4 months before the stated award date.
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Posted: February 07, 2005 10:16 am
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I read about one mixt crew french-romanian, on Farman 40, who downed an enemy plane near Braila in a hard fight. The crew was avarded with St. George. Maybe tomorrow i came with more details.

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Posted: February 10, 2005 08:29 am
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Let me know the name of officer and I'll see in my archive .
I have all names of Order of st.George cavalers from 1769 to 1920 .
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Posted: February 10, 2005 01:31 pm
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On this moment I see
receive Order of st. George 4th class
- Grigorescu Eremia, leutenant-general - januar 1917
- Ioann Kristofor, colonel 51-52 Inf. Reg. - 25.03.1918
- Prezan Konstantin, leutenant-general -jan. 1917
- Pretul Simeon, 1st leutenant of 13 Inf. Reg. - 25.03.1918
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Let me know the name of officer and I'll see in my archive B)
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Posted: February 10, 2005 10:01 pm
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QUOTE (igor_ost @ Feb 10 2005, 09:29 AM)
I have all names of Order of st.George cavalers from 1769 to 1920 .

You have some very interesting information. Can you extract from your archive all the Romanian recipients of the Order of St. George? This far you have listed nine recipients, three for the 1877-1878 war and six for the 1916-1918 war.
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Posted: February 10, 2005 10:05 pm
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Romanian recipients of the Russian Order of St. George

1877-1878 War
1. Prince Carol I (5 September 1877) - third class
2. Brig. Gen. Alexandru Cernat (award date ?) - fourth class
3. Maj. Alexandru Candiano-Popescu (award date ?) - fourth class

1916-1918 War
1. King Ferdinand I (15 March 1918) - third class
2. Lt. Gen. Alexandru Averescu (9 June 1917) - fourth class
3. Lt. Gen. Eremia Grigorescu (January 1917) - fourth class
4. Lt. Gen. Constantin Prezan (January 1917) - fourth class
5. Col. Ioan Cristofor (25 March 1918) - fourth class
6. Lt. Simeon Pretul (25 March 1918) - fourth class
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I can to see jast if I know the name of officer ... :(
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Posted: February 10, 2005 10:08 pm
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... :(
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Posted: February 10, 2005 10:11 pm
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I am still puzzled by the awards dated 1918. Are you sure about these dates? Who made these awards? The Kerensky government had been overthrown on 25.10/07.11.1917 and as far as I know the Bolshevik government suppressed the system of orders of the Czarist regime (that had in fact been maintained that far by the provisional government who took the power after the overthrow of the Czar).
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Posted: February 10, 2005 10:36 pm
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Russian Imperial (White) Army was to 1920 y.
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Carol I
Posted: February 10, 2005 11:07 pm
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Yes, I know that. And probably you refer to the fact that third and fourth class awards were authorised by a Council of St. George. But weren't the actual awards made by the head of the Russian state (up to 1917 the Czar and later presumably by the head of the provisional government)? Do you mean that between 1917 and 1920 (and maybe earlier - I do not have enough knowledge on the Russian orders, but I would gladly like to learn) there was not a single award authority, but rather lower level (army, corps, divisional etc.) councils that could make the awards for this prestigious order?
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Posted: February 21, 2005 02:38 pm
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QUOTE (REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR @ Dec 14 2004, 04:38 AM)
Regarding the 4th class Saint George crosses in silver awarded to Romanians: I have several Romanian medal bars in my collection with the Saint George 4th class silver crosses on them. All are numbered. Is there a way to research the serial number on the cross to be able to identify 1- if the bar is original and 2- who the bar was awarded to ?

Can you send me the reverse side of your medals bars.
My "agent" in Sankt-Petersburg in state archive can halp,
but need the numbers of awards !
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Posted: February 22, 2005 05:27 pm
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Romanian capitan was awarded Russian order of st. Stanislav 3rd class with swards .

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Posted: March 02, 2005 09:59 am
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QUOTE (Carol I @ Feb 10 2005, 10:05 PM)
Romanian recipients of the Russian Order of St. George

1877-1878 War

3. Maj. Alexandru Candiano-Popescu (award date ?) - fourth class


1877-1878 War

I not see in my rolls . Maj. Alexandru Candiano-Popescu
About Brig. Gen. Alexandru Cernat – in my rolls mayor-general
Date of award – 06/09/1877

1916-1918 War

Colonel Alexandru Alexiu from 6 Inf. Brigade (25/03/1918) – fourth class
Lt.Colonel Virjil Dumbrava from 34 Inf.Reg. (25/03/1918) – fourth class


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