Eastern front starts in 1942, What means that for ww2?

Yes, Iama, but the germans had no other way to pull the shirt out of this.
The oil-for-food, sorry, oil-for-weapons/tech programme was based on the germans giving the soviets military technology and the soviets giving the germans a lot of oil, raw materials and agricultural products.
As Hitler decided to launch Barbarossa, he banned the export of any military technology to the Russians. But undoubtedly something could have slipped through before that, not to mention the cooperation in the interwr period.
But from what I've read I didnt see any reverse engineering from the russians. They had their tank models pretty figured out, they only made some adjustments or compared them with the german ones.
Does that qualify for reverse engineering? I mean, I do not know the term very well...

While away, I found this site:

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/2941/map.htm

And this picture:



Looks familiar... oops...

haha...somebody got caught

This is my original post.... As you can see, it has not a single mention about me making that map ....except for the name encrusted on the map (yes, Imperialist, you are on the verge of proving my wickidness and bad manners) ..... BUT

May I point you to the name of the saved pic in the imageshack server: imperialistjoke4hn.gif

Yes, Imperialist, the joke is on you.... (let's see if you figure out what the 4hn stands for)... Do you thing I'm stupid enough to copy some guy's drawing off the internet, which can be easily found on the first pages of a simple google search for "barbarossa" and claim it to be mine? You must believe I'm a moron! ... btw, since I am a romanian, I shouldn't have written "Rumania" like that...

You should do something else with your time, frankly spending so much on this trivial matter is laughable... I know, here is my assignment: using google images and the key word "voltron", find me a certain IRC channel on a certain IRC server from where you can download old 80s cartoons (like Thundarr or Centurions)

Edit:

I think I should laugh, because you actually believed I drew that (in spite of the fact that I had already told you about it several weeks ago)... Oh my God, I'm overachieving! no wonder, seeing the people I'm competing against

This post has been edited by Alexandru H. on June 11, 2005 02:32 am

I think I should laugh, because you actually believed I drew that (in spite of the fact that I had already told you about it several weeks ago)... Oh my God, I'm overachieving! no wonder, seeing the people I'm competing against

No, thats not the name of the pic, so save your breath.
And I did not find this image googleing, cause I truly thought you made that stuff I did not go around checking it. It was pure luck that I ended up on that page hence my surprise at what I found...
As for the rest of your post, I dont intend to start arguing with you, the images speak for themselves, the idea is that you lied and put your name on somebody else's work. That may be a trivial matter for you... "Dar e penibil"! If I were you, I'd shut up.

Boy, you are a hard cookie.... Click right-button of the mouse on the picture, select properties....

Edit: and no, I didn't stay all night to wait for you, I have to write a 15 page essay so it figures...

This post has been edited by Alexandru H. on June 11, 2005 04:25 am

Alex, i have no recollection of the time when you showed me that map, but i cannot say that you did not. you may have and i have forgotten about it. sorry, you know i have a lot on my mind these days...

Boy, you are a hard cookie.... Click right-button of the mouse on the picture, select properties....

Edit: and no, I didn't stay all night to wait for you, I have to write a 15 page essay so it figures...

I dont know, and I dont care how that came about...
I know the pics name is map2 on my harddrive, and I have no way of controlling who or how it is placed on Imageshack.
I suspect you have something to do with it, nevertheless. But I dont care, thats a detail.

Aoleu!!! The great conspiracy theorist doesn't even know how to run a piece of electronics...

Try this link: http://img113.echo.cx/img113/6536/imperialistjoke4hn.gif

OK, so you named your Alexandru H signed map imperialistjoke4hn.
Read my lips: what-ever, so-what??? This aint the Jokes Forum. You edited and you signed that map, I came with a link for the original map.
Now you can go on trying to find your usual "it was a joke" excuses. For me the subject is closed, all I wanted to say and show, I did. Now I have my own papers to write. Cheers!

Well, you really don't get it: Let me explain...

a) Earlier in the thread: You ("By the way... Barbarossa was a plan. That is... it described the way in which Germany was to attack. So yes, the plan stays the same, only the time of the campaign changes. So, Germany attacks in the same way.")

B ) Me (You want the same number of troops in 1942 that existed in 1941. Witht the same equipment, same gear, same weapons, same tanks, same officers, same plan. Isn't it reasonable to say that you may end up with the same outcome? )

c) You (I finished no discussion... I only said that if you admit you;re not interested in this type of limited scenario, why are you hanging around this topic?
I also said that if you have real info and real analysis, please come up with it, stop the endless trail of sometimes off-topic questions.)

d) Me (The map + I think that in the case of a 1942 Barbarossa, the germans would have used this plan. )

Let me tell you this and for the last time: You acted like a moron in this thread, dismissing every attempt of making the scenario at least plausible if not historical. In spite of my efforts of trying to prove that it is of no use of discussing a 1942 Nazi victory in the East without a very different Barbarossa 1941, you just kept going and going with the "limited" madness factor, asking me at the end to leave if I don't bring something useful to the conversation, like real info and real analysis.

Which I did. Let me explain to you how irony works. You take a picture some guy drew of the real historical 1941-1942 Campaign. You place your name on it just to appear genuine. You insert a very serious explanation (ergo the ... I think that in the case of a 1942 Barbarossa, the germans would have used this plan.), that seems to make you interested of what the other one has to say, but actually you laugh your ass off because you just polluted his fantasy construction with real historical facts and the only alternative for a 1942 German Eastern offensive. Not a fantasy one, the only one, which happens to be the historical one as well. But you also upload the picture into the imageshack account of the site with a catchy name (like Imperialistjoke, well, nothing beats the truth) that saves you a lot of trouble later on (as I can see now) but also will maybe manage to inflict some pains later on (which it will, when everyone will see this thread ).

Now, be assured I care less for your opinions, as mistaken-riddled they can be. But I am just amazed at the length someone will reach just to get back on his nemesis... But you were wrong. I know how to protect myself well too good. I have premonition, lying skills, experience and, most of all, a destiny...

Move along, now! You've been Sarmatiz'd!

This post has been edited by Alexandru H. on June 11, 2005 05:00 am

Are you bringing the whole thread back into this silly message? Now, if you want to reopen this thread about campaign in 1942, just say so.

As for your excuses, save those too they are infantile. You posted an image with your name on it. No one was going to save it on its hdd or jump on it to see what was the name of the file on Imageshak.
And even if someone did that, so what? The map was still signed Alexandru H, and you named it imperialistjoke, where is the info about it being taken from somewhere/somebody else???? Nowhere.

You are not my nemesis, and like I said, the pictures say it all. What you did is not a "crime" but it sure says a lot about your character.

Have a good day.

This post has been edited by Imperialist on June 11, 2005 05:37 am

Ok, I already am late with my essay...let's leave it on another time, when both you and I will have time to spare...

But I still say I am right about the 1942 scenario....

And about the drawing (I'm turning my serious mood up)... the strange part is that you assumed it was my creation based on my name written on it. Now, I am no lawyer, but even I could tell you that a simple name written on a bench or a document cannot be considered as the proprietory evidence of an individual. Making a cartoon and writing on it George Bush tells me nothing about the originator of the cartoon, but, if it would have some basic structural underlines, like the word "by" before the name, the evidence of at least the person that drew it (as you can see, I did not say in any post that I drew it, you just assumed that because I had my name on it....).

Now, I agree that works of art are different, since we accept the name at the bottom right of the picture as the name of the true artist. But in reality, the art specialists are never satisfied with ownership, until they discover real documents....

Why do I write such boring things? Well, maybe because I have no mood for explaining the reasons the american community has failed. So, I'll put here something someone else wrote about a similar accusation: "You see, after writing +300 or so pages of original material, every now and then I like to steal a few bits from someone famous just to see if I can sneak it in under the radar. What I didn't count on was that an astute reader such as yourself would read my text and find some great conspiracy brewing".

Imperialist, you say I am not your nemesis. Yet you return on the forum and your first thing on the agenda is to attack me. You can't understand that I really had no single advantage to gain from that drawing (since I didn't brag about it, since I did not enforce my ownership over it) except one: as a tool against one of your arguments.

Read along all my texts I made for this forum. In spite of what the moderators, you and other people are thinking about me, and my character (which is strange, because all my life I wanted to be an insensitive, stupid, low jerk and never suceeded at this), I think that what I've written deserved more than bans, warnings or infatuation.

Well, Gabi, that's too bad... you had much on your mind, yet did not forget to have a good laugh... Hmmm... right

This post has been edited by Alexandru H. on June 11, 2005 05:42 am