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Targul Frumos Battle May 1944, Targul Frumos Battle May 1944

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yugit	Posted: September 27, 2011 10:54 am
Sergent major Group: Banned Posts: 216 Member No.: 3058 Joined: May 07, 2011	Just for your own info on this topic alone the 2nd Ukrainean front lost for the battle of Targul Frumos and the laster Iasi battle , all losses considered in Rumania over 233 aircrafts incl.P-39, LAGG's, Yaks, PE-2, R-5...under command of CCCP Heros Gen. Blagoveschenski (Fighter Groups) and Gen.Polbin (Bomber Groups) This post has been edited by yugit on September 27, 2011 10:57 am

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Posted: September 27, 2011 06:26 pm

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QUOTE (yugit @ September 27, 2011 10:54 am)

... CCCP Heros Gen. Blagoveschenski (Fighter Groups) and Gen.Polbin (Bomber Groups)

You made me curious :
The 5th. Air Army of 2nd.Uk.Fr. had a slightly different componeces (units and comanders) first half of 1944.
USSR Twice Hero Maj.Gen. I.S.Polbin was just of 2. Bomb.A.Corps.
USSR Hero Lt.Gen. Blagoveschenski A.S. was never with 2.Uk.Fr.
It was Col. Blagoveschenski V.G. with his 279. I.A.Div. and joined 2.Uk.Fr. on Aug.1944.

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yugit	Posted: September 27, 2011 09:04 pm
Sergent major Group: Banned Posts: 216 Member No.: 3058 Joined: May 07, 2011	You were right regarding Col. Blagoveschenski, as into Polbin he was by then General and was assumed BG command within 5th Air Army This post has been edited by yugit on September 27, 2011 09:04 pm

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Posted: October 26, 2011 03:13 pm

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QUOTE (yugit @ September 27, 2011 10:54 am)

Just for your own info on this topic alone the 2nd Ukrainean front lost
for the battle of Targul Frumos and the laster Iasi battle , all losses
considered in Rumania over 233 aircrafts incl.P-39, LAGG's, Yaks,
PE-2, R-5...under command of CCCP Heros Gen. Blagoveschenski
(Fighter Groups) and Gen.Polbin (Bomber Groups)

yugit, can you maybe provide more informations on the Soviet losses, Regiments involved etc.? I still try to improve my homepage yogysoft.de which is mentioned in this thread.

Thanks!

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yugit	Posted: October 26, 2011 09:44 pm
Sergent major Group: Banned Posts: 216 Member No.: 3058 Joined: May 07, 2011	Yogi As I have mentioned through email, I will be more than happy to help with VVS & VMF losses during Iasi Kishinew campaigns which by now are complete. I do not deal with Army units losses or Red Army military movements but with primarily US, UK, Russian air movements. Please contact me by email also regarding the corrections you need to do on your website Al

yogy	Posted: November 05, 2011 07:26 pm
Fruntas Group: Members Posts: 72 Member No.: 567 Joined: April 14, 2005	Thank, Al. I sent you another email tonight...

Petre	Posted: February 09, 2012 07:29 pm
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ANDREAS	Posted: February 11, 2012 11:36 pm
Locotenent colonel Group: Members Posts: 814 Member No.: 2421 Joined: March 15, 2009	Petre, because you mentioned the OOB of the 24.Panzer-Division before the battle, I found this : Report from 01/04/1944 Formation: 24.Panzer Division Subordination: IV. Army Corps Staff situation at the date of report: a. Personnel: Target /Lack /Actual Officers: 405/103/302 NCOs: 3663/1128/2535 Troops: 11,303 / 3147/8156 Hiwi: 858/266/592 Total: 15,371 / 4,378 / 10,993 (with Hiwi) (11,585) (16,229) / (4,644) / b. losses and other outlets: During the reporting period from to Dead / wounded / missed / sick / other / Total Officers: 6/11/1/6/2/26 NCOs and Troops: 74/260/16/141/103/594 Total: 80/271/17/147/105/620 c. During the period arrived substitute: Replacement / convalescent / Total Officers: 3 / - / 3 NCOs and Troops: 91/128/219 Total: 94/128/222 d. not more than 1 year leave of absence: Total: 328 heads, 2.3% of the actual strength of which: 12-18 months / 19-24 months / over 24 months 328 / - / - Place cards assigned during the month: 532 Second Physical Location: Target / ready / in short-term repair / Total Armoured vehicles StuG 49/6/2/8 Pz III 20/2/1/3 Pz IV 49/1/1/2 Pz V 3/1/1/2 SPW / PSW / Art.Pz.B. 380/28/15/43 s.IG 38 (t) 12/1 / - / 1 motor vehicles Motorcycles with chains 7 / - / - / - M.ang.Bwg motorcycles. 338/27/11/38 Sonstige motorcycles 504/86/25/111 cars Terrain 943/37/13/50 O 152/36/8/44 trucks Maultiere 27/19/4/23 All Terrain 528/29/5/34 O 789/220/14/234 Tonnage 2700/180/54/234 Tracked vehicles Zgkw 1 - 5to 104/3/2/5 Zgkw 8 - 18to 63/2/2/4 RSO 1 / - / - / - (Heavy) weapons s.Pak 25/11/2/13 Art.Gesch. 24/11/5/16 MG (), MG 42 313 (810) / 33 (234) / - (-) / 33 (234) Other Weapons - / - / - / - BA MA RH 10/159 Source (in german): http://www.forum-der-wehrmacht.de/thread.p...htuser=0&page=4 This post has been edited by ANDREAS on February 13, 2012 12:03 am

Taz1	Posted: June 02, 2012 08:53 pm
Caporal Group: Members Posts: 107 Member No.: 2414 Joined: March 05, 2009	Remains of armor fron the Moldavia front Stug 3 and some wheels from a tank under a house from the site motociclism.ro http://www.motociclism.ro/forum/index.php?...ttach_id=806234 http://www.motociclism.ro/forum/index.php?...ttach_id=806233 http://www.motociclism.ro/forum/index.php?...ttach_id=806227 ule=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=806229 http://www.motociclism.ro/forum/index.php?...ttach_id=808714 http://www.motociclism.ro/forum/index.php?...ttach_id=808344 http://www.motociclism.ro/forum/index.php?...ttach_id=808340

Tetyana	Posted: June 19, 2012 05:14 pm
Soldat Group: Members Posts: 1 Member No.: 3325 Joined: June 19, 2012	Very interesting forum. I wonder if anyone has detailed map of Iasi and around for April 1944? I am looking for some place named Larus, Iasi region. Probably does not exist anymore... No even sure if the name is exact. Any ideas gentlemen? Thanks! This post has been edited by Tetyana on June 19, 2012 05:33 pm

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Posted: June 16, 2013 07:12 pm

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Some considerations about the battle of Targu Frumos from a Russian web page

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Operatia ofensiva a F2Uk la Tg.Frumos (8 apr – 6 mai) reprezinta faza finala a operatiei strategice a Armatei Rosii pe teritoriul Uk. Scopul era ca printr-o lovitura pe directia Tg.Frumos, Vaslui sa incercuiasca pe la vest gruparea inamica de la Chisinau.(...)
Ofensiva trupelor aripii drepte a F2Uk a inceput destul de bine. In perioada 8-11 apr. rupand rezistenta inamicului, au fortat Siretul, au inaintat spre SW si S cu 30—50 km si au iesit la poalele Carpatilor. La 9 apr. trupele A27 au ocupat Tg.Frumos, insa urmare contraloviturii inamicului au trebuit sa paraseasca orasul dupa doua zile.
La aripa stanga trupele Frontului au intampinat rezistenta sustinuta … La 11—12 apr ofensiva era practic stopata…. regruparea trupelor la aripa stanga a frontului, in centru pe directia loviturii principale a intarziat.
In zilele urmatoare A.40 si A.27 sov. au opus rezistenta contraatacului inamicului. A.2 Tc. intrata in lupta la 12 apr trebuia sa respinga impreuna cu A.27 contralovitura gruparii inamice de tancuri in raionul Podu Iloaiei… Inamicul a luat masuri de intarire. Efectivele A4 Ro au crescut la 7 div. (...)
La 18 apr Cdt F2Uk si-a precizat hotararea. Astfel, se intentiona ruperea apararii inamicului la vest de Iasi, pe sectorul Pascani Tg.Frumos, lat de 15 km si exec loviturii principale pe malul stang al Siretului la Belcesti. In continuare era prevazuta dezvoltarea succesului spre Bacau sau Vaslui, cu scopul taierii caii de retragere spre vest a inamicului.
In compunerea gruparii de lovire a Frontului au fost incluse Armatele 40, 27 si 7 Garda – total 15 divizii de tragatori si pana la 500 tancuri si autotunuri din Armatele 5 Garda si 2 Tc. Densitatea de artilerie ajungea la 150 piese/km. Au fost executate lovituri ajutatoare pe directiile Iasi si Chisinau. Formarea gruparii de lovire in raionul Tg.Frumos s-a incheiat doar la finele lunii.
Pentru cresterea stabilitatii apararii, conducerea Gr.A.”Woller” a dispus diviziile romane si germane intercalate. In mai, intre Siret si Prut, inamicul avea in prima linie 8 div, iar in esalonul doi 5 din cele 6 div de tc si motorizate.
La 25—26 apr trupele F2Uk au trecut la ofensiva pe directiile ajutatoare, pentru abaterea rezervelor inamicului de pe directia principala. Insa Cdm german a intuit conceptia operatiei si, mai mult, a stiut precis cand incepe. In noaptea dinaintea ofensivei a retras trupele de pe linia din fata. Pregatirea de artilerie a cazut pe locuri pustii. De aceea armatele gruparii F2Uk pentru lovitura principala, ajunse in dimineata de 2 mai au intampinat o puternica contraactiune cu foc, inaintarea a fost incetinita la limita. Inamicul a adus 4 div. tancuri in sectorul unde Cdm Fr. intentiona sa execute strapungerea. La 3 mai si urmatoarele zile unitati ale A.7 Tc. Garda si A.7 Tc. Garda au incercat fare succes o strapungere in alt sector, iar trupele A2 Tc. iesite spre Tg.Frumos, atacand fara sprijinul unitatilor A.27, au fost respinse de contralovitura inamicului pe pozitiile initiale. La 6 mai, avand pierderi mari, ambele armate de tc. au fost retrase din lupta.
Intre timp devenise clar ca F2U nu era in masura sa indeplineasca misiunea si sa rupa apararea inamicului cu trupele disponibile. De aceea la 6 mai Stavka a ordonat F2U si F3U sa treaca la aparare pe aliniamentele cucerite.
Cu aceasta s-a incheiat operatia strategica ofensiva Nipru-Carpati a Armatei Rosii pentru eliberarea teritoriului Uk, inceputa in dec 1943.

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Strange and bad news from the front. Book-colection "Veterani pe drumul onoarei si jertfei"

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In legătura cu Divizia 18 infanterie inca nu s-a spus tot adevarul.
In ziua de 26 aprilie (sovieticii) ajunsera la cimitirul evreiesc (Iaşi) si in cartierul Păcurari, cand gen. Radu Băldescu a dat acel ordin nenorocit de declansare a atacului fara pregatire de artilerie, fara sprijinul vreunui tanc sau avion si in plina zi.
(...)
A urmat apoi contraatacul D.18 inf (Div.18 munte) in cooperare cu Div. blindata germana GrossDeutschland si situatia a fost restabilita.
… dupa darea ordinului acela nenorocit din d.a. zilei de 26 apr … gen Băldescu a procedat la asaltul pozitiilor sovietice din fata localitatii Rediu Tătar. Înaltul Comandament Roman i-a luat comanda, l-a demis si l-a rechemat in tara in ziua de 28.04.1944.
Comandantul Reg. 92 inf. Orăştie, col. Josan, desi demis a scapat fara sa fie trimis in judecata....
Div. 18 munte s-a format prin contopirea Div. 18 inf cu Div. 2 Gardă in 1943… componenta a Corpului 6 Armata, comandata dupa demiterea gen. Băldescu de gen. Bg. Vasile Pascu.
Luna aprilie 1944 a fost dureroasa si pentru divizia comandata de gen.(???) Stănculeasa in sectorul Tg.Frumos, care s-a sinucis ca urmare a unui ordin de atac fara pregatire de artilerie, sprijin de tancuri si aviatie.

Veteran Col.® R.V. - avocat, Sibiu

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mi.tudor	Posted: January 09, 2015 08:25 am
Soldat Group: Members Posts: 2 Member No.: 3020 Joined: March 01, 2011	Hello everybody Been reading the forum for a long while but never had a chance to post something meaningful. I just found this picture: https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hpho...9e50ba76dbbc850 https://www.facebook.com/iasifotografiivech...tif_t=notify_me http://www.ebay.com/itm/JE49-Sturmgeschutz...=item339b79a4fd The links are for the same picture, but the first one is for those of you who do not have Facebook, and the third one is the source, an auction from Ebay. As you can see from the Ebay description it says it is from 1944 somwhere near Iasi, with a tank from the 24 Panzer Division which from what I read, had taken action in the Battle of Targu Frumos. What do you think? All the best, Tudor

mi.tudor	Posted: January 09, 2015 08:48 am
Soldat Group: Members Posts: 2 Member No.: 3020 Joined: March 01, 2011	Also, I think this one is from the same series: https://www.facebook.com/rom.ww2/photos/a.1...f_t=photo_reply https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hpho...16b1ca65ea72d1b Maybe if we can somehow find the building in the background we can say for sure.

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