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Carol I
Posted: December 29, 2005 07:55 pm
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Is this cross genuine? The swords seem to be added rather clumsily.

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  Posted: December 29, 2005 10:58 pm
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FAKE

have you bought this medal?

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REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR
Posted: December 30, 2005 02:12 am
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Looks good to me. Possibly late WW2 war time issue. A civil order modified later with sword attachments. They probably ran out of military issues at the end of the war and modified a civil piece. I really don't think that someone would fake a common inexpensive order.
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Ahile
Posted: December 30, 2005 10:16 am
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REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR , let me tell you something.This medal that is in the photo , I have seen it and I had it in my hand.It is a fake, sorry to disapoint you,only the case it original, or maybe the ribbon.

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Carol I
Posted: December 30, 2005 10:30 am
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QUOTE (Ahile @ Dec 29 2005, 11:58 PM)
FAKE

Why do you say this? What are the particulars that made you consider it a fake?

QUOTE (Ahile @ Dec 29 2005, 11:58 PM)
have you bought this medal?

No, I did not. I just wanted to know whether it is a genuine piece or a fake and why it is either of these two.
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Posted: December 30, 2005 10:49 am
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QUOTE (Ahile @ Dec 29 2005, 10:58 PM)
FAKE

have you bought this medal?

ahile

This order is ok! Not every piece had the quality like from a jewelery made one!
Regal Uniforma Collector has right, it is a late ww2 production maybe from the National Mint.
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Ahile
  Posted: December 30, 2005 01:19 pm
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Thay is your opinion about this.Check some books to see haw it looks, or go to the National Military Museum.

I have the same medal , but not in this kind of shape,even tje Carol trademark is diffrent.Sorry

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REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR
Posted: December 30, 2005 01:35 pm
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Towards the end of the war, medals and insignia became very crude in manufacture. There are many examples of cast pieces. During the 1920's we saw alot of cast insignia.
During the 1930's and early 40's we had very fine jeweler made pieces. Carol 2 was a fanatic in looking good in uniform and the medals and badges reflected this. Late WW2,
orders and insignia became crude and cast again. Probably due to shortage of money and materials. This also reflects on uniforms and swords of the same periods.

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Posted: December 30, 2005 03:44 pm
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QUOTE (Ahile @ Dec 30 2005, 01:19 PM)
Thay is your opinion about this.Check some books to see haw it looks, or go to the National Military Museum.

I have the same medal , but not in this kind of shape,even tje Carol trademark is diffrent.Sorry

HAPPY NEW YEAR,

Ahile

Dear Ahile please don't trust to the books you have! I told you that I have also the complete literature regarding the romanian phaleristic! It is very far to be complete , full of mistakes and in some cases it would be better if the writers shouldn't print the book at all(catone, bedivan...)!!!

Regal Uniforma Collector's argumentation is very good, it is also mine!
You are too radical in your argumentation, you can belive us ... sometimes...:-)
We are collectors with a lot of years of experience and study!
I wish you also a Happy New Year!

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Posted: December 30, 2005 07:47 pm
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I also think this order is authentic.

There are many variants of the Crown order. And unfortunately there was no attempt so far to study all these variants.
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Carol I
Posted: December 31, 2005 10:46 am
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One more piece: Order of the Crown with swords from WWI. Does the central crown have the usual shape?

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REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR
Posted: January 01, 2006 01:26 am
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Today, I decided to go through my collection just to see how many different variations of the Knight's Cross of the Order of the Crown I have. So far, I have counted over 50 different variations. I see on Ebay and on other medals sites that there are even more variations available. It may be very difficult to catalog these variations.
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Carol I
Posted: January 01, 2006 07:14 pm
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QUOTE (REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR @ Jan 1 2006, 02:26 AM)
Today, I decided to go through my collection just to see how many different variations of the Knight's Cross of the Order of the Crown I have. So far, I have counted over 50 different variations. I see on Ebay and on other medals sites that there are even more variations available. It may be very difficult to catalog these variations.

Yes, this may be quite a difficult task, but on the other hand, we can use this thread to exclude the known variations that are definitely suspicious.
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Posted: January 02, 2006 03:48 pm
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Posted: March 15, 2006 07:37 pm
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What do tou think about this piece, it's quite strange because the back of King Carol's emblem is flat. What do you think?

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