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Fake Grand Cross Order of the Crown?| boonicootza |
 Posted: November 08, 2004 01:16 pm
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This cased Order of the Crown Grand Cross is now on sale on ebay:
eBay  It is my impression that the breaststar of the order is fake. It looks suspiciously new. There are some obvious differences betweetn this breaststar and the others i've seen so far. The most striking is the missing holes in the crown on the center medallion. The enamel is also different.  There is also a difference in the arms of the cross:   The neck badge seems good. Ofcourse, I may be wrong and this is a variant that i've never seen. So, what do you think? Peace! -------------------- ~
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| boonicootza |
Posted: November 11, 2004 01:07 pm
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Oppinions?
Anybody? Peace! -------------------- ~
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| cipiamon |
Posted: November 11, 2004 07:34 pm
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Is clealy there are major fabric diferens between them, the golden border for example is thicker, see below. And why reason would they have to build an other matrice for the respective medal? A good dexplication can the fact that the "fake" one it was build later, who knows for what reason.
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| Carol I |
Posted: November 15, 2004 08:34 pm
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It eventually went under the hammer for 1035 USD.
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| Carol I |
Posted: November 16, 2004 10:26 pm
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Also on eBay is this Knight's Cross of the Order of the Crown of Romania. The swords seem to have a peculiar appearance.
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| Carol I |
Posted: November 16, 2004 10:28 pm
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The reverse of the swords seems to be completely flat.
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| cipiamon |
Posted: November 16, 2004 11:31 pm
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at that price, they shold do verry explicit pictures of it
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| aviatiadasenzatia |
Posted: November 18, 2004 03:51 pm
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In my humble opinion the breast star could be okay. There were a lot of manufacturers who had different enamel or dies . So I think it's not appropriate to consider that there is just one model , an all the others types should be the same.
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| mihai |
Posted: November 23, 2004 02:16 am
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This bidders is the collectoer of Grand cross of ant order in any countries. But this price is too high, Mihai p.s I list the scan of my collection of GK |
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| cipiamon |
Posted: November 23, 2004 02:18 pm
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Different constructors build the same medal? Even on different matrices? That sounds strange, for example when they made coins it was done in the same fabric.
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| b737 |
Posted: November 23, 2004 04:26 pm
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Why do yo say that it's sounds strange????It was normal that orders where made by more than one manufacture !!!! For example , the order of the crown was made by: - Resch and sons in Bukarest - Heinrich Weiss in Bukarest - Zimmermann in Pforzheim-Germany -and from a lot of small manufactures (ceaprazarii ) |
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| cipiamon |
Posted: November 23, 2004 05:41 pm
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I thoght it was strange because they produced different medals.
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| aviatiadasenzatia |
Posted: November 23, 2004 06:20 pm
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You can't compare the orders manufacturing with the coins stricking. There is no resemblance. The orders manufacturing is related rather to the jewellery then the coins stricking. |
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| Carol I |
Posted: November 23, 2004 08:22 pm
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Resch did indeed make both first and second type badges of the Order of the Crown.
Did Weiss and Zimmermann manufacure first type badges?
Did they? Do you have any reference for this? |
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| b737 |
Posted: November 24, 2004 08:50 am
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Yes,H.Weiss made both models from this order! If Zimmermann have made also the first type?I dont't know! The initial question was if this order was made from more than one manufacture! I know from a good friend of mine , who's interest is more the historical orders documentation,that this small manufactures(ceaprazarii),have made also this order.You will find a lot of "strange looking" and unmarked pieces wich are NO FAKES,they were only made by this small manufactures!!!! I saw pieces made by: - Depozitul Decomed - Croitoria si ceaprazaria militara "La Principele Bibescu" - Carniol/Radivon..... And I have forget to mention the .....Monetaria Nationala (national mint)!!!!!! |
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