Romanian Military History Forum - Part of Romanian Army in the Second World War Website



Pages: (6) [1] 2 3 ... Last »  ( Go to first unread post ) Reply to this topicStart new topicStart Poll

> Fake Grand Cross Order of the Crown?
boonicootza
  Posted: November 08, 2004 01:16 pm
Quote Post


Plutonier adjutant
*

Group: Members
Posts: 378
Member No.: 135
Joined: November 03, 2003



This cased Order of the Crown Grand Cross is now on sale on ebay:

eBay

(IMG:http://i5.ebayimg.com/02/i/02/c9/b7/c5_3.JPG)

It is my impression that the breaststar of the order is fake.
It looks suspiciously new.
There are some obvious differences betweetn this breaststar and the others i've seen so far.
The most striking is the missing holes in the crown on the center medallion. The enamel is also different.

(IMG:http://img122.exs.cx/img122/1455/compare1.jpg)

There is also a difference in the arms of the cross:

(IMG:http://img130.exs.cx/img130/3853/compare2.jpg)
(IMG:http://img109.exs.cx/img109/1030/compare3.jpg)

The neck badge seems good.

Ofcourse, I may be wrong and this is a variant that i've never seen.
So, what do you think?

Peace!
PMEmail PosterYahoo
Top
boonicootza
Posted: November 11, 2004 01:07 pm
Quote Post


Plutonier adjutant
*

Group: Members
Posts: 378
Member No.: 135
Joined: November 03, 2003



Oppinions?
Anybody?


Peace!
PMEmail PosterYahoo
Top
cipiamon
Posted: November 11, 2004 07:34 pm
Quote Post


Sublocotenent
*

Group: Members
Posts: 471
Member No.: 115
Joined: October 06, 2003



Is clealy there are major fabric diferens between them, the golden border for example is thicker, see below. And why reason would they have to build an other matrice for the respective medal? A good dexplication can the fact that the "fake" one it was build later, who knows for what reason.

Attached Image
Attached Image
PM
Top
Carol I
Posted: November 15, 2004 08:34 pm
Quote Post


General de armata
*

Group: Members
Posts: 2250
Member No.: 136
Joined: November 06, 2003



It eventually went under the hammer for 1035 USD.
PM
Top
Carol I
Posted: November 16, 2004 10:26 pm
Quote Post


General de armata
*

Group: Members
Posts: 2250
Member No.: 136
Joined: November 06, 2003



Also on eBay is this Knight's Cross of the Order of the Crown of Romania. The swords seem to have a peculiar appearance.

Attached Image
Attached Image
PM
Top
Carol I
Posted: November 16, 2004 10:28 pm
Quote Post


General de armata
*

Group: Members
Posts: 2250
Member No.: 136
Joined: November 06, 2003



The reverse of the swords seems to be completely flat.

Attached Image
Attached Image
PM
Top
cipiamon
Posted: November 16, 2004 11:31 pm
Quote Post


Sublocotenent
*

Group: Members
Posts: 471
Member No.: 115
Joined: October 06, 2003



at that price, they shold do verry explicit pictures of it
PM
Top
aviatiadasenzatia
Posted: November 18, 2004 03:51 pm
Quote Post


Sergent
*

Group: Members
Posts: 177
Member No.: 391
Joined: November 18, 2004



In my humble opinion the breast star could be okay. There were a lot of manufacturers who had different enamel or dies . So I think it's not appropriate to consider that there is just one model , an all the others types should be the same. :)
PMEmail Poster
Top
mihai
Posted: November 23, 2004 02:16 am
Quote Post


Sublocotenent
*

Group: Members
Posts: 450
Member No.: 30
Joined: July 08, 2003



QUOTE (Carol I @ Nov 15 2004, 08:34 PM)
It eventually went under the hammer for 1035 USD.

This bidders is the collectoer of Grand cross of ant order in any countries.
But this price is too high,

Mihai
p.s I list the scan of my collection of GK
PM
Top
cipiamon
Posted: November 23, 2004 02:18 pm
Quote Post


Sublocotenent
*

Group: Members
Posts: 471
Member No.: 115
Joined: October 06, 2003



Different constructors build the same medal? Even on different matrices? That sounds strange, for example when they made coins it was done in the same fabric.
PM
Top
b737
Posted: November 23, 2004 04:26 pm
Quote Post


Plutonier major
*

Group: Members
Posts: 311
Member No.: 390
Joined: November 18, 2004



QUOTE (cipiamon @ Nov 23 2004, 02:18 PM)
Different constructors build the same medal? Even on different matrices? That sounds strange, for example when they made coins it was done in the same fabric.

Why do yo say that it's sounds strange????It was normal that orders where made by more than one manufacture !!!! For example , the order of the crown was made by:
- Resch and sons in Bukarest
- Heinrich Weiss in Bukarest
- Zimmermann in Pforzheim-Germany
-and from a lot of small manufactures (ceaprazarii )
PMEmail Poster
Top
cipiamon
Posted: November 23, 2004 05:41 pm
Quote Post


Sublocotenent
*

Group: Members
Posts: 471
Member No.: 115
Joined: October 06, 2003



I thoght it was strange because they produced different medals.
PM
Top
aviatiadasenzatia
Posted: November 23, 2004 06:20 pm
Quote Post


Sergent
*

Group: Members
Posts: 177
Member No.: 391
Joined: November 18, 2004



QUOTE (cipiamon @ Nov 23 2004, 02:18 PM)
Different constructors build the same medal? Even on different matrices? That sounds strange, for example when they made coins it was done in the same fabric.

You can't compare the orders manufacturing with the coins stricking. There is no resemblance. The orders manufacturing is related rather to the jewellery then the coins stricking.
PMEmail Poster
Top
Carol I
Posted: November 23, 2004 08:22 pm
Quote Post


General de armata
*

Group: Members
Posts: 2250
Member No.: 136
Joined: November 06, 2003



QUOTE (b737 @ Nov 23 2004, 05:26 PM)
For example , the order of the crown was made by:
- Resch and sons in Bukarest

Resch did indeed make both first and second type badges of the Order of the Crown.

QUOTE (b737 @ Nov 23 2004, 05:26 PM)
- Heinrich Weiss in Bukarest
- Zimmermann in Pforzheim-Germany

Did Weiss and Zimmermann manufacure first type badges?

QUOTE (b737 @ Nov 23 2004, 05:26 PM)
-and from a lot of small manufactures (ceaprazarii )

Did they? Do you have any reference for this?
PM
Top
b737
Posted: November 24, 2004 08:50 am
Quote Post


Plutonier major
*

Group: Members
Posts: 311
Member No.: 390
Joined: November 18, 2004



QUOTE (Carol I @ Nov 23 2004, 08:22 PM)
QUOTE (b737 @ Nov 23 2004, 05:26 PM)
For example , the order of the crown was made by:
- Resch and sons in Bukarest

Resch did indeed make both first and second type badges of the Order of the Crown.

QUOTE (b737 @ Nov 23 2004, 05:26 PM)
- Heinrich Weiss in Bukarest
- Zimmermann in Pforzheim-Germany

Did Weiss and Zimmermann manufacure first type badges?

QUOTE (b737 @ Nov 23 2004, 05:26 PM)
-and from a lot of small manufactures (ceaprazarii )

Did they? Do you have any reference for this?

Yes,H.Weiss made both models from this order!
If Zimmermann have made also the first type?I dont't know! The initial question was if this order was made from more than one manufacture!
I know from a good friend of mine , who's interest is more the historical orders documentation,that this small manufactures(ceaprazarii),have made also this order.You will find a lot of "strange looking" and unmarked pieces wich are NO FAKES,they were only made by this small manufactures!!!!
I saw pieces made by:
- Depozitul Decomed
- Croitoria si ceaprazaria militara "La Principele Bibescu"
- Carniol/Radivon.....
And I have forget to mention the .....Monetaria Nationala (national mint)!!!!!!
PMEmail Poster
Top
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

Topic Options Pages: (6) [1] 2 3 ... Last » Reply to this topicStart new topicStart Poll

 






[ Script Execution time: 0.0319 ]   [ 14 queries used ]   [ GZIP Enabled ]