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Knights of the Order of Michael the Brave| Carol I |
Posted: July 04, 2004 11:32 am
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I have found these photos from a celebration of the Day of the Order of Michael the Brave (8 November - the feast of Sts. Michael and Gabriel) when the surviving knights of the order were invited in full attire for a reception at the Cotroceni Palace.
Source: The Office of the President 
Source: The Office of the President Are these all the surviving knights of the order? Can you please identify them? |
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| CCJ |
Posted: July 04, 2004 06:23 pm
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Terrific
Those are wonderful. Is the custom to wear the MV insignia with the Ferdinand Cypher and not the Michael I Cypher? |
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| Carol I |
Posted: July 04, 2004 06:31 pm
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The cape was introduced in 1936 when only the King Ferdinand type of the order existed. Probably the subsequent regulations of 1941 and 1944 modified only the metal badge of the order but not the cape. |
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| CCJ |
Posted: July 04, 2004 06:33 pm
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Thanks... That makes since.
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| Carol I |
Posted: July 04, 2004 06:46 pm
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The Order of Michael the Brave also has its own flag introduced in 1941. It can be seen in the photo below surrounded by the flags of four units that have been awarded the Order of Michael the Brave. These flags are also present behind the knights in the photo above.
Source: The Office of the President |
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| Victor |
Posted: July 04, 2004 09:25 pm
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There only 47 living holders of the MV order, all of the 3rd class.
Teh air force officer wearing the Iron Cross 1st class is gen. av. Ion Dicezare. Teh other air force officer was gen. av. Vasiel Gavriliu if I am not mistaken. He passed away 2 years ago. |
 
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| CCJ |
Posted: July 04, 2004 10:00 pm
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Question: were Romanians allowed to wear WW2 awards during the reign of communism? I doubt any 3rd Reich awards were allowed. Also, the Iron Cross worn by Air Force officer... would it be a type that is de-nazified?
I am also interested to learn if Romanians wore the awards from the war against Germany in WW1 during the period 1941-1944. I would think they did but not sure. |
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| Dénes |
Posted: July 05, 2004 01:33 am
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If you refer to the seventh from the right, he is not Vasile Gavriliu. He was shorter, chubbier and did not have a moustache. BTW, the fact that DiCesare wears the Eisernes Kreuz, 1st Class is very remarkable... |
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| Carol I |
Posted: July 05, 2004 06:00 am
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If I understood right, only Ioan Dicezare (DiCesare) was identified in the photo and he is the second from the right. Does anyone have any idea who the other ones are?
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| Victor |
Posted: July 05, 2004 06:19 am
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Yes they were allowed, but only the ones awarded after 23 August 1944 and only some of them. THe MV Order was offcially disbanded IIRC. The Star of Romania was replaced with the Star of the Republic and some exchanged the old one with the new one. I think that is what my grandfather did. |
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| CCJ |
Posted: July 05, 2004 06:20 am
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What about the Iron Cross?
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| Victor |
Posted: July 05, 2004 06:23 am
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I don't think it's the de-Nazified version. Ask C-2, he personally knows Dicezare and can forward the question to him. |
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| Carol I |
Posted: July 05, 2004 06:28 am
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As far as I know, all the royal Romanian orders were officially disbanded. But as Victor said, some of the old decorations could have been changed to new ones. And this is what many officers did as I heard that in the first years of the People's Republic the mere possession of a royal decoration could mean harassment from the authorities and even years in prison. |
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| CCJ |
Posted: July 05, 2004 12:24 pm
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What a shame.
These men who most likely exchanged their orders and got rid of ones that were illigal must have had to get new Michael the Brave orders later on to wear on their uniforms. Does anyone know how these decorations were replaced for these men. I guess many may have hidden their medals or it may have been as simple as leaving the medals stored out of view. I don't know what its like to live under communism... |
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| Dénes |
Posted: July 05, 2004 12:53 pm
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Most veterans destroyed them or threw them away, as the threat of being jailed for merely possessing such royalist decorations (or even photos!) was very real.
Of what I understood, it wasn't much different than living under Naziism (before the war), except in some cases (like travel, private enterprises, religion) it was worse... |
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