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Posted: July 21, 2005 06:43 pm
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I wrote Irak. Not Afganistan!
Didn't wanted to open a new thread.
The Roman. soldiers wear the same uniform as the Americans...
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Posted: July 21, 2005 06:50 pm
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QUOTE (C-2 @ Jul 21 2005, 06:43 PM)
I wrote Irak. Not Afganistan!
Didn't wanted to open a new thread.
The Roman. soldiers wear the same uniform as the Americans...

Yeah, I agree with C-2, I dont think thats an american soldier. The american kevlar is not of that camouflage colour in Iraq and is longer, covering the groins also. They also have "knee pads" (genunchiere).
Maybe the american members of the forum can give us their insight.


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Posted: July 22, 2005 04:36 am
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QUOTE (C-2 @ Jul 21 2005, 08:43 PM)
The Roman. soldiers wear the same uniform as the Americans...

No, Romanian soldiers have uniforms similar to those of the British army, which are very different from the US ones. Furthermore, that is not a Romanian kevlar vest.
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Posted: July 22, 2005 06:46 am
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The image is faked, as the center of the cardboard was edited to imprint the new text. Note that the horizontal pleats of the cardboard, visible at the left and right edges, are lost towards the center, which is blured. Quite easy to do in Photoshop.
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Posted: July 22, 2005 06:59 am
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I bet: can be look better even if i do that thing in paintbrush smile.gif .

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Posted: July 22, 2005 07:46 am
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Soldier of the 300th Infantry Battalion Sfantul Andrei during a convoy escort in Afghanistan. This unit just ended its deployment and returned to Romania, being replaced by the 151st Infantry Battalion, which is poresently on its second tour in Afghanistan.

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Source: Observatorul Militar no. 25/2005

For those errounousely stating that the soldier with two kids is Romanian, take a good look at the above photo and notice the more than obvious differences in the uniform and kevlar vest.
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Posted: July 22, 2005 08:06 am
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QUOTE (Victor @ Jul 22 2005, 07:46 AM)
Soldier of the 300th Infantry Battalion Sfantul Andrei during a convoy escort in Afghanistan.

That soldier is completely exposed on that TAB.

p.s. C-2 should tell us where he found that picture, maybe that would shed some light besides the kevlar issue.


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Posted: July 22, 2005 08:59 am
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I sure hope it's a faik!
I'll let you know tomorow more.
I got from a friend via E mail...
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Posted: July 22, 2005 05:58 pm
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QUOTE (Imperialist @ Jul 21 2005, 06:50 PM)
Yeah, I agree with C-2, I dont think thats an american soldier. The american kevlar is not of that camouflage colour in Iraq and is longer, covering the groins also. They also have "knee pads" (genunchiere).
  Maybe the american members of the forum can give us their insight.

It does not look like an American soldier to me. It's possible that American troops in Iraq would use woodland pattern vests, so that by itself is not a disqualifier. In the build-up for the Iraq invasion, soldiers could not deploy without a modern vest, and there were not enough of them, so they used what they had.

But that is not an American vest, or at least not a style I have ever seen. As Imperialist noted, the American vest is longer. It also has a higher collar, the shoulder is different, and the flap in the center over the fasteners is different. I'm not even sure of the camouflage pattern -- the colors could be American, but the pattern does not look quite right. The blocks of color seem a little too large to me. Many countries use copies or near-copies of the American pattern.

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Posted: July 22, 2005 06:32 pm
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The identity of the soldier in the photo isn't that important, after the initial claim that he is Romanian was proved wrong.

As for US soldiers wearing vests with forest camouflage, here are some photos:

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Source: http://www.br-online.de

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Source: http://www.freace.de

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Source: http://www.tu.no
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Posted: July 22, 2005 07:04 pm
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QUOTE (Victor @ Jul 22 2005, 06:32 PM)
The identity of the soldier in the photo isn't that important, after the initial claim that he is Romanian was proved wrong.


It was proved wrong? Already? Wow, that was fast. Neeext...


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Posted: July 23, 2005 06:27 am
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Well, I didn't see any proof brought forward that somehow Romanian troops aren't wearing their regulamentary uniforms and dress in what appears to be a US one, with a strange kevlar vest. If you have such evidence, by all means, bring it forward, otherwise such comments are void.

For those whi still have doubts about Romanian desert camouflage uniforms, here is a photo of soldiers of the 281st Battalion in Afghanistan, together with US soldiers.
The differences are more than obvious.

Source: Observatorul Militar

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Posted: July 23, 2005 01:53 pm
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QUOTE (Victor @ Jul 23 2005, 06:27 AM)
Well, I didn't see any proof brought forward that somehow Romanian troops aren't wearing their regulamentary uniforms and dress in what appears to be a US one, with a strange kevlar vest. If you have such evidence, by all means, bring it forward, otherwise such comments are void.


All I wanted to say was that C-2 was still supposed to give the source for that photo, a source which could have clarified the issue. It just seemed too quick for the issue to be proven wrong. Personal opinion.
But the romanians also wore green kevlars similar to the US ones at the start of the deployment when there was that problem with inadequate camouflage. I remember some newspapers wrote about it. "we sent soldiers camouflaged for dense vegetation in the desert" or something like that. The source of the photo and the time it was taken could further clarify the issue.

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Posted: July 23, 2005 03:55 pm
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I fail to comprehend what was left to clarify. He didn't provide any proof that the respective soldier is Romanian, except that Romanians have uniforms similar to the US ones. That argument was proven false beyond any reasonable doubt. The differences between the US camo and the British (Romanian) one are more than obvious. The same for the kevlar vests.

You mentioned the 26th Battalion being sent initially to Afghanistan with model 1990 and 1994 forest camo. Here is a photo, in case you still have doubts.

Source: the former redscorpions.net website, which doesn't exist anymore.

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Posted: July 23, 2005 06:13 pm
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QUOTE (Victor @ Jul 23 2005, 03:55 PM)
I fail to comprehend what was left to clarify. He didn't provide any proof that the respective soldier is Romanian, except that Romanians have uniforms similar to the US ones. That argument was proven false beyond any reasonable doubt. The differences between the US camo and the British (Romanian) one are more than obvious. The same for the kevlar vests.





Here are some similarities and differences:

[note - the 3rd picture is that of an US soldier]

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In my opinion we lack enough info about the picture to say anything without reasonable doubt.






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