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| WorldWar2.ro Forum > Awards & Badges > Boy Scout Badge Awarded for WW1 with Michael Ist Cypher! |
| Posted by: Dénes June 09, 2004 05:27 pm |
| See scan below: |
| Posted by: Carol I June 09, 2004 10:37 pm |
| It probably dates from early WWII. Could it be just a modified Carol II badge? |
| Posted by: dragos03 June 10, 2004 06:51 pm |
| It is from WWI. This is called "Insemnul Vulturul Romaniei" (Romanian Eagle sign) and it was awarded to ground recon officers during WWI.
This is a very rare piece. |
| Posted by: mihai June 11, 2004 11:20 am |
| [quote]It is from WWI. This is called "Insemnul Vulturul Romaniei" (Romanian Eagle sign) and it was awarded to ground recon officers during WWI.
This is a very rare piece.[/quote] I think this badge is so""Insemnul Vulturul Romaniei" (Romanian Eagle sign)" Mihai |
| Posted by: dragos03 June 11, 2004 09:53 pm |
| Is this yours, Denes? |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 11, 2004 11:06 pm |
| The badge is for boy scouts but worn by military officers who were and participated as boy scout leaders and instructors. During the late 1930's (1938 I beleive), King Carol made the Scouts a Para-Military youth organization under leadership of military instruction. These military leaders and instructors wore this badge. The are 2 versions of this badge that exist. First with the center cypher of King Carol 2 (1938-1940), and second version is King Michael (1941-1945). Note that the center cypher is the King Michael Cypher of WW2. This badge was not in existence in WW1. It is not a WW1 badge. King Michael was not even born yet. Most collectors identify this badge as strictly a Boy Scout insignia. They are wrong. This is an official military regimental type badge and was worn by the Royal military on their uniforms. The boys in the boy scouts did not wear this badge. And yes, many of these badges were modified after the fall of Carol 2. The center C2 cypher was removed and the M1 cypher added. I have a few badges that have been modified this way. Kind of a transitional period badge. This badge does not look to have been modified. The gilting is in poor quality which tells me that the badge was more than likely made around 1942-1944. |
| Posted by: Dénes June 12, 2004 04:29 am | ||
No, I found it on eBay. |
| Posted by: Carol I June 13, 2004 06:18 pm | ||
What is then the explanation of the "CERCETASII DIN RASBOIUL 1916-1919" (THE SCOUTS OF THE 1916-1919 WAR) inscription on the badge? It makes a very clear reference to WWI activities and this seems to be in contrast to your 1930s paramilitary explanation. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 13, 2004 07:10 pm |
| THE SLOAGAN "CERCETASII DIN RASBOIUL 1916-1919" IS TO COMMEMERATE THE MANY BOY SCOUTS WHO DIED AT THE FRONT LINES DURING WW1. THE BOY SCOUTS DURING WW1 WAS VERY ACTIVE WITH DUTIES OF TRANSPORTING THE WOUNDED AND FELL VICTIM TO MANY AERIAL BOMBARDMENTS AMOUNG OTHER THINGS. THIS SLOAGAN IS TO COMMEMERATE THE SCOUTS HEROISM DURING THE GREAT WAR. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 13, 2004 07:20 pm |
| YOU WILL FIND IN MANY ROYAL REGIMENTAL BADGES THAT WERE MADE UNDER KING CAROL 2 DURING THE 1930'S PERIOD MAKING A REFERENCE ON THE BADGE ITSELF OF THE REGIMENT OR UNITS HEROISM IN BATTLES AND EXPLOITS DURING WW1. JUST LIKE BATTLE STREEMERS ON FLAGS THEY ARE USED TO COMMEMORATE BATTLES AND EVENTS. |
| Posted by: Carol I June 13, 2004 08:55 pm |
| Thanks for the replies. Did you get this information from official documents of the time? |
| Posted by: Carol I June 17, 2004 07:56 pm |
Scouts badge with the cipher of Carol II:
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| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR June 27, 2004 03:32 pm |
I NEVER GOT ISSUED ONE OF THESE WHEN I WAS A BOY SCOUT. THIS LOOKS LIKE FUN. PHOTO OF PRINCE MICHAEL CIRCA 1940 REVIEWING THE BOY SCOUTS WITH ANTI-AIRCRAFT GUN. |
| Posted by: Victor June 27, 2004 03:48 pm |
| Interesting. It looks like a ZB-53 MG mounted as a AA machine-gun. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR November 21, 2004 06:36 pm |
 The Boy Scouts took a very active role during WW1 in the evacuation of the wounded from the front lines. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR November 21, 2004 06:38 pm |
 Close up view of a WW1 Boy Scout uniform. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR November 21, 2004 07:15 pm |
 Boy Scout bravery orders gold - first class bravery silver - second class bravery bronze - 3rd class bravery 4th badge is for the Boy Scouts from the Carpatian Mountains |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia November 22, 2004 03:36 pm | ||
You are making a confusion . The " Romanian Eagle " was given to the senators and members of the Parliament. This is the "Insemnul cercetasilor din razboiul 1916-1919". |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia November 22, 2004 06:39 pm |
| I discovered why did you made the confusion , because in the book of Mr. Bedivan is messed up. If you will have a look at the back of the book , you'll see he gave the same name for the right VR. |
| Posted by: b737 November 24, 2004 10:34 am |
| Hi , in fact this badge is called " insigna comandantilor cercetasi " and they are 3 types of it!!!!(not 2!!!) 1- The type with King Carol 2 cypher (chanell cypher!  )2- The type with King Michael's cypher ( the cross with m's ) and the unknown last type is....... 3- The type from the early RPR period without King's cypher, the eagle doesen't wear the crown and keeps no cross in the beak! You will find also the initials RPR(republica populara romana) on the badge. This last badge is the rarest of all 3 types!!! Personal , I saw only the miniature of this badge. |
| Posted by: b737 November 24, 2004 11:51 am | ||
The only good thing in this book are the pictures.....!Sorry! |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia November 25, 2004 09:13 am |
| [B]Do you think so ?? I doubt that. I think the pictures are shity , not because the authors didn't want to do better pictures , just because the book was published in 1992 , and at the time the publishing in Romania was rudimentary. |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia November 25, 2004 09:17 am |
| Here is another scouting badge , I doubt is Romanian , rather is French ... |
| Posted by: b737 November 25, 2004 09:44 am |
| I think also that it's french |
| Posted by: Carol I March 06, 2006 09:26 pm | ||||
Dragos03's post on http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=3005 reminded me of this thread. Could the upper three badges in the image above be the badges mentioned in that post?
Can anyone give more information about these badges? They appear to have VIRTUTEA CERCETĂŞEASCĂ (SCOUT VIRTUE) and the Romanian version of the scout motto (GATA ORICÂND) on the white ribbon around the centre. |
| Posted by: Carol I March 06, 2006 09:33 pm |
| I have managed to find some better images of the badges. Gold badge  Source: Internet auction |
| Posted by: Carol I March 06, 2006 09:35 pm |
Silver badge Source: Internet auction |
| Posted by: Carol I March 06, 2006 09:36 pm |
Bronze badge Source: Internet auction |
| Posted by: Carol I March 06, 2006 09:40 pm |
And here is another badge/pin bearing the inscription CERCETĂŞIA ROMÂNIEI (Scout Movement of Romania). Do you have any information on this one? Source: Internet auction |
| Posted by: ^All^ April 11, 2006 01:48 pm | ||
That badge is definetly french....at the bottom of it you can see SUF that's "Scouts Unitaire de France" P.S. I'm sorry if I make spelling errors, but my writing skill is much more inferior than my speaking skill in English and French. |
| Posted by: ^All^ May 06, 2006 08:09 pm |
| That pin is given to those scouts that have entered the S.U.F. (Scouts Unitaire de France). It is given after the scout spent some time among scouts and want's to join, it is weared on the left breast pocket. To receive this pin one has to go through a ceremony named "depunerea promisiunii" in English I think it would be "to give your oath". If I'll find some more info about the pin I'll post them. |
| Posted by: Carol I July 06, 2006 03:37 pm |
And another another scout badge/pin (from Okazii) |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia September 04, 2006 05:28 pm |
| Boyscout Badge - Gold , with miniature . The interesting thing is the ... case ! http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia September 05, 2006 08:37 am | ||
And the enameled version .... http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: Carol I September 05, 2006 04:29 pm | ||||
The badge you posted has a somewhat 'modern' appearance with a simpler design (see the ornaments, the fleur-de-lis or the eagle). Are you certain the two badges are contemporary? Maybe 'yours' is a more recent version... |
| Posted by: aviatiadasenzatia September 06, 2006 05:53 am | ||||||
I'm positive , is original and same period as the other one. I'll post the picture of the reverse with the serial number. |
| Posted by: ^All^ March 19, 2007 11:15 pm |
| Nice badges...but what were they given for? |
| Posted by: New Connaught Ranger March 20, 2007 09:35 am |
| Hallo ^All^ this picture has already been posted back near the start of the post! top of page 2. Kevin in Deva  |
| Posted by: Victor March 20, 2007 06:16 pm |
| Unsourced photographs deleted. |
| Posted by: ^All^ September 13, 2007 08:04 pm | ||
Ups...sorry I forgot to read the first pages. My bad. |
| Posted by: New Connaught Ranger November 27, 2007 04:54 pm |
| Hallo Gents:D , any thoughts about this one, http://imageshack.ushttp://imageshack.us Somebody I know outside of Romania is putting it up for sale and I dont know much about it or what value to place on it!!! Kevin in Deva. |
| Posted by: b737 November 29, 2007 08:00 pm |
| Hi Kevin ,this is an ww1 army scouts c.o. badge. They were awarded after ww1 . The piece from your scan, is a romanian manufacture(CERBU) of lower quality badge. The most of this badges are made of 900 silver by K. Kullrich ( KK ). I think that it is a very interesting piece. |
| Posted by: b737 November 29, 2007 08:05 pm |
| This badge was made by Kullrich. http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww6aik0.jpghttp://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ww6rje1.jpg |