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| Posted by: Victor November 27, 2004 02:28 pm |
| Here are the brigades and their partial OoB that I have managed to identify so far: 30th Guard Regiment Mihai Viteazul - Bucharest Mechanized Infantry 1st Mechanized Brigade -2nd Mechanized Infantry Battalion Calugareni - Bucharest 2nd Mechanized Brigade -20th Mechanized Infantry Battalion -26th Mechanized Infantry Battalion Neagoe Basarab – Craiova -211th Recon Company 81st Mechanized Brigade - Bistrita -811th Mechanized Infantry Battalion – Dej -812th Mechanized Infantry Battalion – Bistrita -817th Artillery Battalion 282nd Mechanized Brigade Unirea Principatelor - Focsani -284th Tank Battalion - Galati -280th Mechanized Infantry Battalion – Focsani -281st Mechanized Infantry Battalion – Ramnicu Sarat -300th Mechanized Infantry Battalion -288th AA Artillery Battalion 15th Territorial Mechanized Brigade Podul Inalt -151st Mechanized Infantry Battalion Razboieni – Iasi 18th Territorial Mechanized Brigade Decebal -32nd Mechanized Infantry Battalion Mircea – Timisoara -191st Mechanized Infantry Battalion Colonel Radu Golescu – Arad 34th Territorial Mechanized Brigade Vasile Lupu -341st Mechanized Infantry Battalion – Topraisar -361st Mechanized Infantry Battalion -18th Tank Battalion -345th Artillery Battalion -367th AT Artillery Battalion -348th AA Artillery Battalion -168th Logistics Battalion Mountain Troops 2nd Mountain Brigade Sarmisegetusa - Brasov -21st Mountain Battalion – Predeal -22nd Mountain Battalion -30th Mountain Battalion – Dragoslavele -206th Artillery Battalion -4th Detachment -mountain scouts company 61st Mountain Brigade "Virgil Badulescu" – Bicaz -17th Mountain Battalion Dragos Voda – Vatra Dornei -24th Mountain Battalion 5th Territorial Mountain Brigade - Alba Iulia -5th Mountain Battalion Avram Iancu Tanks 6th Tank Brigade 51st Tank Battalion - Turda 52nd Tank Battalion - Turda Paratroopers 2nd Paratrooper Brigade Maior Dobre Teodor – Bucharest -56th Paratrooper Battalion – Caracal -60th Paratrooper Battalion Baneasa-Otopeni - Bucharest -495th Paratrooper Battalion Capitan Stefan Soverth - Bucharest -498th Paratrooper Battalion Smaranda Braescu Special Operations&Recon 64th Special Operations Battalion 313th Recon Battalion 404th Recon Battalion 528th Recon Battalion Marines 307th Marine Battalion 317th Marine Battalion Engineers 10th Engineer Brigade -72nd Crossings Battalion -96th Engineer Battalion Joseph Kruzel - Bucharest -3rd Engineer Battalion - Buzau 70th Air Force Engineer Regiment Communications 85th Communications Regiment Sublocotenent Gheorghe Robescu NBC Troops 49th NBC Defense Battalion – Pitesti 72nd NBC Defense Battalion 202nd NBC Defense Battalion Military Police 265th Military Police Battalion - Bucharest Logistics 1st Logistics Brigade – Ploiesti 122nd Logistics Brigade AA Defense 1st SAM Brigade General Nicolae Dascalescu 6th AA Mixed Brigade -50th SAM Regiment Andrei Muresanu Cluj -3rd AA Battalion GEPARD – Turda -50th AA Artillery Battalion 11th SAM Regiment Horea Here are the units I haven't yet managed to find out to which brigade they belong for sure: 26th Mountain Battalion 33rd Mountain Battalion – Curtea de Arges 284th Tank Battalion – Galati 633rd Tank Battalion 21st Mechanized Infantry Battalion "General Traian Moşoiu" - Oradea 55th AA Artillery Battalion 132nd Crossings Battalion |
| Posted by: Iamandi November 29, 2004 07:03 am |
| 18th Territorial Mechanized Brigade Decebal Is not Divizia Tancuri Decebal - Timisoara on '89 events? Iama |
| Posted by: Radu December 08, 2004 04:38 am |
| If you want the airforce OBB go to http://www.roaf.ro then go to organizare pick a base and follow the inzestrare link. |
| Posted by: Victor December 18, 2004 10:45 pm |
| I have added more units discovered in the 2nd and 282nd Mechanized Brigades. There is also the problem of the brigade to which the 300th Mechanized Infantry Battalion belongs to. |
| Posted by: 88mm December 21, 2004 10:10 am |
| The 317th Marine Battalion it's more like a penal battalion of the Navy. A question tghou, are the tank battalions called like this, or is it "artilerie grea"? |
| Posted by: Iamandi December 21, 2004 12:30 pm | ||
I have some friends who are make it his military service at "Marines" (romanian), and all of them complain about heavy training. Iama |
| Posted by: Victor December 21, 2004 01:39 pm | ||
I am not sure I understand your question. The xth Tank Battalion is a translation of Batalionul x Tancuri. Why would a tank battalion be called heavy artillery? |
| Posted by: Victor January 22, 2005 01:15 pm |
| It seems the 300th Battalion is part of the 282nd Brigade. I have identified the 17th and 24th Mountain Batalions as part of the 61st Mountain Brigade. |
| Posted by: mabadesc May 18, 2007 06:40 am |
| This is all useful and detailed information, but I was also curious about the higher-level structure. I found a diagram on the MAPN site, and it seems that the the 2 remaining armies from the end of WWII (1st and 4th) have been re-designated as Army Corps. Thus, from an organizational standpoint, the Romanian ground forces are now composed of 3 main structures: 1st Army Corps, based in Bucuresti 4th Army Corps, based in Cluj Comandament "Garzi", based in Bucuresti No other corps-level structures are present for ground forces. Please see diagram included below: http://imageshack.us |
| Posted by: Green Leader June 09, 2007 03:29 pm |
| Hello, does anybody has information about the organization of the modern romanian battalions and companies |
| Posted by: refaim June 21, 2007 12:49 pm |
| The 122nd Logistics Brigade is based in Bucharest, i know that, because i've served there in 2005. |
| Posted by: IAR80 October 15, 2007 07:48 pm |
| I'm not the one to practice 'bumping' month-old threads forward, but it just so happens I'm interested in the structure of Romanian battalions/companies as well. I've been dabbling around with Steel Panthers (Main Battle Tank,the modern series) and The Operation Art of War III scenario editing,and I'd apreciate it if anyone provided some info on this. Thanks in advance. |
| Posted by: mabadesc October 16, 2007 04:45 pm |
| Have all divisional commands been eliminated? The diagrams and lists I've seen all seem to go from Army Corps to Brigade level. Second question: Any remaining links between historical units and current units, or has everything been completely restructured? In other words, can one trace the 1st Armored Division (Romania Mare), or the 8th Cavalry Division, to modern-day counterparts (albeit carrying different names)? Or has the reorganization been so complete that all links to the past have been lost? |
| Posted by: Victor January 17, 2013 08:32 am |
| A good image of the current OoB can be found on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_Land_Forces |
| Posted by: BulgarianLion April 25, 2013 02:20 pm |
| Hello, neighbours! I am looking for some information about the structure of the romanian armed forces of today and from the recent past. I hope you could help me. Of course I have seen the orbat at wikipedia. It is pretty good. However I still have many questions: - I know that the main formations of the land forces are the 1st, 2nd and 4th divisions. Before the formation of the 2nd division the 1st had 27 and 4th had 20 mobilization centres. Did some of them transfer to the 2nd division, or did it form mobilization structures of its own? - Is there still distinction between operational, territorial and combined brigades and what is the difference? Does territorial mean reserve personnel, or des it mean not deployable overseas? - Which battalions fall under the Comandamentul din Garnizoana Bucuresti and which Major-General is the garrison commander? The Chief of the land forces? - So you have under the land forces the 1st, 2nd, 4th division, the training command, the Bucuresti Garrison, the SF, LAROM and Geniu brigades. Does the Comandamentul Logistic Întrunit also fall under the land forces or under the MApN and what is its structure? Which rank does the commanding officer have, what manpower and which units? - How is the signals arm structured? I have read, that the former government signals arms of the Securitatea was transformed into an independent militarised service under government control. Is this service still operational, or has it been merged with the Comandamentul Comunicaţiilor şi Informaticii? Do the land forces, the air force and the navy have their own signals units, or are all the signals units part of that command? - There is some scarce information, that the Romanian Military Police includes 4 MP battalions, but that's about it. I know there is the elite 265th MP Battalion under the land forces and an MP battalion under the guards regiment of the 1st division. What are the other two MP battalions, do they fall under the air force and navy respectively, or are the 4 battalions under direct MApN control? Are there any other MP units, such as MP companies, criminal investigation units, support centres etc? Are the Israely Wolf armoured cars part of the 265th MP Bn? For example our Bulgarian Military Police is a service under direct MoD control and it includes: o 5 territorial MP districts, each commanded by a colonel o Criminal Investigations Division o operational MP company with 14 Plasan Sand Cat MRAV's o Training and Logistical Center of the Military Police In addition to these units according to our current transformation plan the armed forces are also forming: o two land forces MP companies under each of the two mechanised brigades o an air force MP company o a naval MP company - So the unconventional units of the land forces include the 3 battalions of the 6th Special Forces Brigade and a Batalionul Cercetare for each of the 3 divisions. Are there still parasutisti units in the divisions, at least parasutisti companies in some of the infantry battalions? The navy has the Scafandri frogmen center and the 307th Marines Battalion as a naval equivalent of the cercetare battalions of the army. Do the air force, the military police and the Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff have their own special forces? - Do the Romanian land forces plan to acquire UAVs? - The artillery includes the LAROM brigade under the Land Forces Staff and an artillery regiment for each of the three divisions. Or does the 2nd division lack an artillery formation? Does the Romanian army have operational self-propelled field artillery, how many units and which systems? - About the land forces air defence - do the batalionul antiaeriana units of the army brigades include only ZU-23 and MANPADS, or do they also include self-propelled CA-95, Oerlikon guns? What is the structure of the air defence regiments of the divisions? They include Russian KUB and OSA SAM's and Gepard SPAAG's. How are the battalions structured? Do they also have Hawk XXI batteries, how many? Do they also include CA-95s, CA-94s, Oerlikon guns? Is there an air defence regiment under direct Land Forces Staff control, or only those 3 regiments? - What is the structure of the ground based air defences of the Fortele Aeriene? I know that the Brigada 1 de Rachete Sol-Aer includes 4 batteries of S-75M3? Are these all the operational S-75s of Romania? Does the brigade also have Hawk XXI batteries? Is the Regimentul 11 de Rachete Sol-Aer "Horea" still operational? Is it independent, or is it part of the Brigada 1 RSA? What is its structure, does it also have S-75 or only Hawk XXIs? - I have read that there are about 50 operational LanceRs. Is this info correct, because this is too few for 6 operational squadrons? - What is the situation with the An-2, are they withdrawn? How many and which modification are the operational Yak-52s? Are the operational IAR-316B's only 6 and what happened to the plans to replace them with the EC-635? Do you still have Mi-8s or Aerospatiale Dauphins in the fleet? - Is the information about 22 operational IAR-330 SOCAT and 35 operational IAR-330M accurate? - Which is the unit, that operates the Shadow 600 UAVs out of Timisoara-Giarmata? Does it have an official name like for example Escadrila 38 de Recunoastere or is it just called Escadrila Shadow 600 and does it fall under an annex of a Baza Aeriana or is it under Air Force HQ? - Is the whole naval aviation composed of only the three IAR-330 Naval, or does the navy still have some IAR-316B's? - Is Romania manifacturing Eurocopter helicopters in Brasov? Which models and what quantities? Are the EC-135s of the SMURD manufactured there or in France? - Could you tell me something more about the airborne troops command from the time of Ceausescu? I know that it included the Otopeni air transport base and airborne regiments. How many were the latter and were they combined in an airborne division, or was the division the airborne troops command itself? Did the command also have other aviation units? - Was the command under air force and air defence jurisdiction, or did it fall under direct command of the ministry of defence? Did it have its own airborne artillery, airborne engineers, airborne signals units, airborne AT units, or was it strictly airborne infantry? - What was the main task of these airborne troops? Warsaw Pact operations? Anti-Warsaw Pact operations? Internal security? - During the Cold War the Romanian General Staff feared, that the navy could be easily blocked in its ports, so for that possibility the naval personnel was trained to act as infantry in a secondary role, shall that happen. Was the 55th Marine Brigade formed for that reason, or was it formed later in the 90s? Is it true, that at some moment in the 90s the navy had under its command a whole land forces corps, with its own mechanised brigades, tank regiment and air defense missile regiment and if yes, do the three mechanised brigades of the 2nd Division have anything to do with it? Thank you so much for your time. |
| Posted by: Victor May 02, 2014 02:38 pm |
| The current situation: 1st Infantry Division "Dacica" – Bucharest a. 1st Mechanized Brigade "Argedava" - headquartered at Bucharest - 2nd Infantry Battalion "Calugareni" ("Desert Tigers") - Bucharest - 495th Infantry Battalion "Capitan Stefan Soverth" - Clinceni - 114th Tank Battalion "Petru Cercel" - Targoviste (T-55AM) - 113th Artillery Battalion "Baraganul" - Slobozia - 288th Anti-aircraft Artillery Battalion - Focsani - 117th Logistics Support Battalion - Ploiesti b. 2nd Infantry Brigade "Rovine" - Craiova - 20th Infantry Battalion "Dolj" ("Black Scorpions") - Craiova - 22nd Infantry Battalion "Romanati" - Caracal - 26th Infantry Battalion "Neagoe Basarab" ("Red Scorpions") - Craiova - 325th Artillery Battalion - Caracal - 205th Anti-aircraft Artillery Battalion "Blue Scorpions" - Craiova - 116th Logistics Support Battalion "Golden Scorpions" - Craiova c. 2nd Mountain Brigade "Sarmizegetusa" - Brasov - 21st Mountain Battalion "General Leonard Mociulschi" - Predeal - 30th Mountain Battalion "Dragoslavele" - Campulung - 33rd Mountain Battalion "Posada" - Curtea de Arges - 206th Mixed Artillery Battalion - Brasov - 228th Anti-aircraft Missile Battalion - Brasov - 229th Logistic Support Battalion - Brasov d. 2nd Logistics Base "Valahia" - Targoviste e. 51st Mixed Artillery Regiment "General Cornel Paraniac" - Slobozia f. 61st Mixed Anti-aircraft Missile Regiment "Pelendava" - Slobozia g. 1st "CIMIC" Battalion - Bucharest h. 49th CBRN Defence Battalion "Arges" - Pitesti i. 96th Engineer Battalion "Joseph Kruzel" - Caracal j. 313th Reconnaissance Battalion "Burebista" - Bucharest k. 45th Communications & Information Systems Battalion "Capitan Grigore Giosanu" - Bucharest l. 300th Logistic Support Battalion "Sarmis" - Bucharest 2nd Infantry Division "Getica" – Buzau a. 9th Mechanized Brigade "Marasesti" - Constanta - 341st Infantry Battalion ("White Sharks") - Topraisar - 911th Infantry Battalion - Medgidia - 912th Tank Battalion - Murfatlar (T-55A, T-55AM) - 345th Artillery Battalion - Medgidia (Md.1981 152mm, Md.1977 100mm, 9P133 Malyutka) - 348th Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion - Basarabi - 168th Logistics Support Battalion - Constanta b. 15th Mechanized Territorial Brigade "Podu Inalt" - Iasi - 151st Mechanized Infantry Battalion "Razboieni" - Iasi - 634th Mechanized Infantry Battalion "Petrodava" - Piatra Neamt - 631st Tank Battalion "Oituz" - Bacau (TR-85M1, TR-85) - 335th Artillery Battalion "Alexandru cel Bun"- Botosani - 635th Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion "Precista" - Bacau - 198th Logistics Support Battalion "Prut" - Iasi c. 282nd Mechanized Operational Brigade "Unirea Principatelor" - Focsani - 280th Mechanized Infantry Battalion - Focsani (MLI-84M) - 300th Mechanized Infantry Battalion "Sfântul Andrei" - Galati - 284th Tank Battalion "Cuza Voda" - Galati (TR-85M1) - 285th Mixed Artillery Battalion "Vlaicu Voda" - Braila - 3rd Anti-aircraft Artillery Battalion - Turda - 469th Logistics Support Battalion - Focsani d. 3rd Logistics Base "Zargidava" - Roman - 43rd Transport Battalion "Roman I Musat" e. 52nd Mixed-Artillery Regiment "General Alexandru Tell" - Barlad f. 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Regiment "Tropaeum Traiani" - Medgidia g. 202nd CBRN Defence Battalion "General Gheorghe Teleman" - Husi h. 3rd Engineer Battalion "General Constantin Poenaru" i. 528th Reconnaissance Battalion "Vlad Tepes" - Braila j. 47th Communications & Information Systems Battalion "General Nicolae Petrescu" - Buzau k. 200th Logistic Support Battalion "Istrita" - Buzau 4th Infantry Division "Gemina" - Cluj-Napoca a. 18th Infantry Brigade "Banat" - Timisoara - 32nd Infantry Battalion "Mircea" ("Yellow Scorpions") - Timisoara - 191st Infantry Battalion "Colonel Radu Golescu" - Arad - 26th Mountain Battalion "Avram Iancu" - Brad - 183rd Artillery Battalion "General Ion Dragalina" - Lugoj - 184th Anti-aircraft Artillery Battalion "Timis" - Giarmata - 185th Logistics Support Battalion "Mures" - Lipova b. 61st Mountain Brigade "Virgil Badulescu" - Miercurea Ciuc - 17th Mountain Troops Battalion "Dragos Voda" - Vatra Dornei - 22nd Mountain Troops Battalion "Ciresoaia" - Sfantu Gheorghe - 24th Mountain Troops Battalion "General Gheorghe Avramescu" - Miercurea Ciuc - 385th Artillery Battalion "Iancu de Hunedoara" - Odorheiu Secuiesc - 468th Anti-aircraft Artillery Battalion "Trotus" - Lunca de Sus - 435th Logistics Support Battalion "Ciuc" - Miercurea Ciuc c. 81st Mechanized Brigade "Grigore Balan" - Bistrita - 811th Infantry Battalion "Dej" ("Transylvanian Dragons") – Dej - 812th Infantry Battalion "Bistrita" ("Carpathian Hawks") – Bistrita - 814th Tank Battalion "Mihai Voda"- Turda (T-55 AM) - 817th Artillery Battalion "Petru Rares"- Prundu Bargaului ((Md.1981 152mm, Md.1977 100mm) - 3rd Anti-aircraft Artillery Battalion "Potaissa" – Turda - 405th Logistics Support Battalion "Nasaud"- Bistrita d. 4th Logistics Base "Transilvania" - Dej - 41st Transport Battalion "Bobalna" - Dej - 88th Maintenance Battalion - Cluj-Napoca e. 69th Mixed Artillery Regiment "Silvania" - Simleul Silvaniei f. 50th Anti-air Missile Regiment "Andrei Muresianu" - Floresti g. 72nd CBRN Defence Battalion "Negru Voda" - Targu Mures h. 53rd Engineer Battalion - Deva i. 317th Reconnaissance Battalion "Vladeasa" - Cluj-Napoca j. 55th Communications & Information Systems Battalion "Napoca" - Cluj-Napoca k. 400th Logistics Support Battalion - Cluj-Napoca 6th Special Operations Brigade "Mihai Viteazul" - Targu Mures - 610th Special Operations Battalion "Vulturii" - Targu Mures - 620th Special Operations Battalion "Baneasa-Otopeni" - Buzau - 630th Paratrooper Battalion "Smaranda Braescu" - Bacau - 640th Logistics Support Battalion - Targu Mures 8th Artillery Brigade "Alexandru Ioan Cuza" - Focsani - 81st Multiple Rocket Launcher Battalion "Gheorghe Sontu" - Focsani - 83rd Multiple Rocket Launcher Battalion "Bogdan I" - Barlad - 96th Multiple Rocket Launcher Battalion "Mircea Voevod" - Ploiesti - 84th Data Acquisition Battalion "Marasti" - Focsani - 85th Logistics Support Battalion - "General Mihai Cerchez" - Barlad 10th Engineer Brigade "Dunarea de Jos" - Braila - 52nd Engineer Battalion "Tisa" - Satu Mare - 72nd Bridge Engineer Battalion "Matei Basarab" - Braila - 136th Bridge Engineer Battalion "Apulum" - Alba Iulia - River Crossing Battalion - Braila - 110th Logistics Support Battalion - Braila 30th Guard Regiment "Mihai Viteazul" - Bucharest - Military Police Battalion - Parade Units 265th Military Police Battalion - Bucharest 500th Logistics Support Battalion - Bucharest 307th Marine Battalion - Babadag 1st Training Battalion "Olt" - Caracal |
| Posted by: Vici January 11, 2015 07:45 am |
| I've taken the OoB above and made a few small corrections and updates. I've also added in bold the main type of equipment used by the units. Corrections and further info are appreciated. The current situation: 1st Infantry Division "Dacica" – Bucharest a. 1st Mechanized Brigade "Argedava" - headquartered at Bucharest - 2nd Infantry Battalion "Calugareni" ("Desert Tigers") - Bucharest (TAB-77) - 495th Infantry Battalion "Capitan Stefan Soverth" - Clinceni (TAB-71M) - 114th Tank Battalion "Petru Cercel" - Targoviste (T-55A) - 113th Artillery Battalion "Baraganul" - Slobozia (Md.1981 152mm, Md.1977 100mm) - 117th Logistics Support Battalion - Ploiesti b. 2nd Infantry Brigade "Rovine" - Craiova - 20th Infantry Battalion "Dolj" ("Black Scorpions") - Craiova (Piranha III C) - 22nd Infantry Battalion "Romanati" - Caracal - 26th Infantry Battalion "Neagoe Basarab" ("Red Scorpions") - Craiova (Piranha III C) - 325th Artillery Battalion - Caracal - 205th Anti-aircraft Artillery Battalion "Blue Scorpions" - Craiova (Oerlikon GDF-003, CA-95) - 116th Logistics Support Battalion "Golden Scorpions" - Craiova c. 2nd Mountain Brigade "Sarmizegetusa" - Brasov - 21st Mountain Battalion "General Leonard Mociulschi" - Predeal - 30th Mountain Battalion "Dragoslavele" - Campulung - 33rd Mountain Battalion "Posada" - Curtea de Arges - 206th Mixed Artillery Battalion - Brasov (M-30M 122mm) - 228th Anti-aircraft Defense Battalion "Piatra Craiului" - Brasov (Oerlikon GDF-003) - 229th Logistic Support Battalion - Brasov d. 2nd Logistics Base "Valahia" - Targoviste e. 51st Mixed Artillery Regiment "General Cornel Paraniac" - Slobozia (Md.1981 152mm, Md.1977 100mm) f. 61st Mixed Anti-aircraft Missile Regiment "Pelendava" - Slobozia (SA-6, CA-95) g. 1st "CIMIC" Battalion - Bucharest h. 49th CBRN Defence Battalion "Arges" - Pitesti i. 96th Engineer Battalion "Joseph Kruzel" - Caracal j. 313th Reconnaissance Battalion "Burebista" - Bucharest k. 45th Communications & Information Systems Battalion "Capitan Grigore Giosanu" - Bucharest l. 300th Logistic Support Battalion "Sarmis" - Bucharest 2nd Infantry Division "Getica" – Buzau a. 9th Mechanized Brigade "Marasesti" - Constanta - 341st Infantry Battalion ("White Sharks") - Topraisar - 911th Infantry Battalion - Medgidia - 912th Tank Battalion - Murfatlar (T-55A, T-55AM) - 345th Artillery Battalion - Medgidia - 348th Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion - Basarabi (Gepard) - 168th Logistics Support Battalion - Constanta b. 15th Mechanized Territorial Brigade "Podu Inalt" - Iasi - 151st Mechanized Infantry Battalion "Razboieni" - Iasi (TAB-77) - 634th Mechanized Infantry Battalion "Petrodava" - Piatra Neamt (TAB-71M) - 631st Tank Battalion "Oituz" - Bacau (TR-85) - 335th Artillery Battalion "Alexandru cel Bun"- Botosani (Md.1981 152mm, Md.1977 100mm, AT-3 Maliutka) - 635th Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion "Precista" - Bacau (2x30 mm Md.80) - 198th Logistics Support Battalion "Prut" - Iasi c. 282nd Mechanized Operational Brigade "Unirea Principatelor" - Focsani - 280th Mechanized Infantry Battalion - Focsani (MLI-84M Jderul) - 300th Mechanized Infantry Battalion "Sfântul Andrei" - Galati (MLI-84M Jderul) - 284th Tank Battalion "Cuza Voda" - Galati (TR-85M1 Bizonul) - 285th Mixed Artillery Battalion "Vlaicu Voda" - Braila (Md.1981 152mm, Md.1977 100mm, AT-5 Konkurs) - 288th Anti-aircraft Artillery Battalion - Focsani (Gepard) - 469th Logistics Support Battalion - Focsani d. 3rd Logistics Base "Zargidava" - Roman - 43rd Transport Battalion "Roman I Musat" e. 52nd Mixed-Artillery Regiment "General Alexandru Tell" - Barlad (Md.1985 152mm, Md.1977 100mm, APRA-40) f. 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Regiment "Tropaeum Traiani" - Medgidia (SA-6, CA-95) g. 202nd CBRN Defence Battalion "General Gheorghe Teleman" - Husi h. 3rd Engineer Battalion "General Constantin Poenaru" i. 528th Reconnaissance Battalion "Vlad Tepes" - Braila j. 47th Communications & Information Systems Battalion "General Nicolae Petrescu" - Buzau k. 200th Logistic Support Battalion "Istrita" - Buzau 4th Infantry Division "Gemina" - Cluj-Napoca a. 18th Infantry Brigade "Banat" - Timisoara - 32nd Infantry Battalion "Mircea" ("Yellow Scorpions") - Timisoara (TAB-71M) - 191st Infantry Battalion "Colonel Radu Golescu" - Arad (TAB-77) - 26th Mountain Battalion "Avram Iancu" - Brad - 183rd Artillery Battalion "General Ion Dragalina" - Lugoj (Md.1981 152mm, Md.1977 100mm) - 184th Anti-aircraft Artillery Battalion "Timis" - Giarmata (2x30 mm Md.80) - 185th Logistics Support Battalion "Mures" - Lipova b. 61st Mountain Brigade "Virgil Badulescu" - Miercurea Ciuc - 17th Mountain Troops Battalion "Dragos Voda" - Vatra Dornei (MLVM) - 22nd Mountain Troops Battalion "Ciresoaia" - Sfantu Gheorghe (MLVM) - 24th Mountain Troops Battalion "General Gheorghe Avramescu" - Miercurea Ciuc (MLVM) - 385th Artillery Battalion "Iancu de Hunedoara" - Odorheiu Secuiesc - 468th Anti-aircraft Artillery Battalion "Trotus" - Lunca de Sus (2x30 mm Md.80) - 435th Logistics Support Battalion "Ciuc" - Miercurea Ciuc c. 81st Mechanized Brigade "Grigore Balan" - Bistrita - 811th Infantry Battalion "Dej" ("Transylvanian Dragons") – Dej (B-33 Zimbru) - 55th Anti-aircraft Artillery Battalion "Somes" – Dej (Oerlikon GDF-003, 2x30 mm Md.80) - 812th Infantry Battalion "Bistrita" ("Carpathian Hawks") – Bistrita - 814th Tank Battalion "Mihai Voda"- Turda (T-55AM) - 817th Artillery Battalion "Petru Rares"- Prundu Bargaului (Md.1981 152mm) - 3rd Anti-aircraft Artillery Battalion "Potaissa" – Turda (Gepard) - 405th Logistics Support Battalion "Nasaud"- Bistrita d. 4th Logistics Base "Transilvania" - Dej - 41st Transport Battalion "Bobalna" - Dej - 88th Maintenance Battalion - Cluj-Napoca e. 69th Mixed Artillery Regiment "Silvania" - Simleul Silvaniei - 612th AT Artillery Battalion Maramures - Baia Mare (Md.1977 100mm) f. 50th Anti-air Missile Regiment "Andrei Muresianu" - Floresti (SA-6, SA-8, CA-95) g. 7th Multiple Rocket Launcher Battalion - Floresti (APRA-40) h. 72nd CBRN Defence Battalion "Negru Voda" - Targu Mures i. 53rd Engineer Battalion - Deva j. 317th Reconnaissance Battalion "Vladeasa" - Huedin k. 55th Communications & Information Systems Battalion "Napoca" - Cluj-Napoca l. 400th Logistics Support Battalion - Cluj-Napoca(DAC-665T) 6th Special Operations Brigade "Mihai Viteazul" - Targu Mures - 610th Special Operations Battalion "Vulturii" - Targu Mures - 620th Special Operations Battalion "Baneasa-Otopeni" - Buzau - 630th Paratrooper Battalion "Smaranda Braescu" - Bacau - 640th Logistics Support Battalion - Targu Mures 8th Artillery Brigade "Alexandru Ioan Cuza" - Focsani - 81st Multiple Rocket Launcher Battalion "Gheorghe Sontu" - Focsani (LAROM) - 83rd Multiple Rocket Launcher Battalion "Bogdan I" - Barlad (LAROM) - 96th Multiple Rocket Launcher Battalion "Mircea Voevod" - Ploiesti (LAROM) - 84th Data Acquisition Battalion "Marasti" - Focsani (TABC-79 POMA with ARGUS) - 85th Logistics Support Battalion - "General Mihai Cerchez" - Barlad 10th Engineer Brigade "Dunarea de Jos" - Braila - 52nd Engineer Battalion "Tisa" - Satu Mare - 72nd Bridge Engineer Battalion "Matei Basarab" - Braila - 136th Bridge Engineer Battalion "Apulum" - Alba Iulia - River Crossing Battalion - Braila - 110th Logistics Support Battalion - Braila 30th Guard Regiment "Mihai Viteazul" - Bucharest - Military Police Battalion - Parade Units 265th Military Police Battalion - Bucharest (Wolf) 500th Logistics Support Battalion - Bucharest 307th Marine Battalion - Babadag (TABC-79, 76mm mountain gun Md.82) 1st Training Battalion "Olt" - Caracal |
| Posted by: Agarici January 11, 2015 09:11 pm |
| Very interesting, Vici, thank you for compiling and posting the data. A few questions: 1. How many tanks are in a tank battalion? Does the 114 Tank Battalion/1st Infantry Division include (only) T 55, A version? What about the other tank battalions listed vith a combination of T 55 and T 55 AM? 2. It seems like 2nd Mountain Brigade/1st Infantry Division doesn't use MLVM (but has a support units of artillery - is that M-30M 122 mm a mountain gun?), and that both mountain brigades (the 2nd and the 61st) are devoid of mountain guns (Romanian 76 mm model 1982; but was there a latter model of Romanian 100 mm mountain howitzer also?). Is that correct? 3. The non-upgraded MLI 84 is not in active service anymore? Thank you! |
| Posted by: Vici January 12, 2015 10:10 am |
| 1. There are 56 tanks in a battalion. Apparently, the unit at Turda uses only T-55AM, the one at Murfatlar mostly A and a few AM, the 114 at Targoviste seems to have only A. This is based only on public photographic evidence, so it may be wrong. 2. I don't know if they use MLVM or not. Again, all I wrote is based on photographic evidence. M30M is the old WW2 Model 1938 Soviet howitzer, it's not a mountain gun. According to UN data, 168 Model 1995 98mm mountain guns and 127 Model 1982 76 mm guns exist, but they are in storage; only the Marines use a small number of 76mm guns. Mountain troops artillery (except for bat. 206) consists of dismounted 82 and 120 mm mortars and SPG-9 recoilless rifles - based on photos from the last decade. 3. The non upgraded MLI-84 is not in service. I have a hard time tracking even the upgraded ones - 99 were built for three battalions with 33 each, but it seems only two are using it: the 282 in Focsani and 300 in Galati |
| Posted by: Agarici January 17, 2015 11:08 am |
| Thank you very much for your answer, Vici! A few observations: 1. Keeping in use the T 55 A (even for training puropses) is a very bad option, a measure of the lack of preocupation and competence of some decisional factors in the Romanian military. As far as I know, there still are ~30 Romanian T 72 in storage, plus a lot of T 72 on sales in the neighbouring countries (some even - as far as I know - being delivered as "military aid" for the new national armies of Iraq and Afghanistan). Not to mention the fact that, according to some informal sources, some AM for the tank units disbanded during 1990 - early 2000 were dismembered. A model like T 55 A could have been a wise choice in the '60s, but certainly not in a more recent timeframe. Also, from the information I have there are some couple of hundreds T 85 (the basic model) in reserve, why aren't some of them brought back into service? 2. The same argument concerning the two types of mountain guns. They could add some additional firepower to that units. 3. I was asking that because, in late 1990s, some non-upgraded MLIs could be seen in a infantry unit in Someseni, near Cluj. Also, I'm pretty sure that I've seen some (relatively recent) photos with infantry troops dismounting from a basic MLI - perhaps on the MApN site, or in some MApN-published magazine... Edit: I was referring to this photo, but I cannot find the source: http://rumaniamilitary.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/20.jpg |
| Posted by: guina January 17, 2015 11:49 pm |
| Regarding ooB of RoA,have you seen this : v Din păcate începem anul 2015 cu confirmare a ceea ce noi pe acest site am susţinut tot timpul: Armata Română, în speţă Forţele Aeriene, nu mai are de ceva timp capacitate de lupta, nemaiputând să-şi execute nici măcar misiunile pe timp de pace, ce să mai vorbim de, ferească Dumnezeu, vreo situaţie de lupta reală. Subfinanţarea criminală – la care Armata a fost supusă ani la rând de către tomberonezii care au condus această ţară (începând cu Tăriceanu, Băsescu, Boc şi acum Ponta) - plus aducerea la conducerea MApN a unor oameni cu totul incapabili să conducă măcar un mic SRL a făcut că astăzi Forţele Aeriene să fie practic doar o instituţie aproape decorativă. Bineînţeles că nici Forţele Navale nu stau mai bine, de fapt dintre cele trei categorii de forţe stau cel mai rău, neavând practic nave de lupta, în timp ce Forţele Terestre, unde dezastrul este ceva mai uşor de ascuns, se târâie de la un an la altul cu o tehnică de lupta care pur şi simplu nu ar mai trebui scoasă din cazarmă… şi pe care în curând nici nu vor mai reuşi să o mişte. Dar în primul rând, dorim să-i felicităm pe cei doi ofiţeri – Lt.drd. Diana MANOLACHE şi Lt.cdor. Crăciun-Ciprian CHIŞ – pentru că îşi onorează uniformă pe care o poartă, pentru corectitudinea, curajul şi seriozitatea analizei efectuate şi salutăm faptul că în sfârşit ofiţeri activi au ieşit în faţă şi au făcut public dezastrul. Onoare lor! Şi poate dacă astfel de oameni ar fi promovaţi în funcţii de conducere starea Armatei ar fi altă! Bineninteles că actualul minstru, Mircea Dusă, a fost prins din nou cu minciună, tomberozul susţinând pe oriunde poate că Forţele Aeriene sunt perfect capabile să-şi execute misiunile, un lucru mincinos şi manipulativ, greţos chiar. Tehnic vorbind acest raport spune că dacă în 2015 alocările pentru MApN vor rămâne la stadiul de 1.31% din PIB, atât cât este acum în proiectul de buget, se vor întâmplă următoarele: Pe timp de Pace 1. Serviciul de Lupta Poliţie Aeriană sub comandă NATO se execută în zona de risc ridicat şi sub nivelul standardelor NATINAMDS, pentru încă un an (al şaselea consecutiv). Nu se asigura menţinerea nivelului de antrenament al personalului, cu riscul de a nu mai avea piloţi pregătiţi să execute serviciul de lupta în toate condiţiile. Continuarea instrucţiei sub standard (la un nivel actual de 50-60 ore de zbor/an/pilot), cu tehnică de lupta învechită şi alocaţii bugetare insuficiente pentru susţinerea mentenantei şi suportului logistic a misiunilor, are implicaţii grave asupra suveranităţii în spaţiul aerian naţional şi nu mai permite controlul stării de siguranţă aeronautică; (aşadar şi faptul că România îşi asigura serviciul de Poliţie Aeriană este tot o MINCIUNĂ!) 2. Serviciul de Lupta Poliţie Aeriană sub comandă naţională, prin rotaţie, cu câte un batalion de rachete sol-aer din compunerea brigăzii de rachete sol-aer se poate execută limitat, în condiţiile insuficienţei suportului logistic, lipsei carburantului special (oxidant) şi epuizării resursei tehnice a rachetelor; 3. Serviciul de Lupta Căutare-Salvare, inclusiv Serviciul Medical Militar de Urgenţă – se poate execută numai pe timp de zi. Continuarea instrucţiei personalului navigant sub standardele cerute (într-un ritm de 10-20 de ore de zbor/an/pilot), asigura doar menţinerea în bareme, nu şi pregătirea tactică şi antrenamentul necesar executării misiunilor în orice condiţii; (unul din motivele pentru care mai dau cu elicopterele de pământ) 4. celelalte servicii de lupta (supraveghere electronică, comunicaţii şi informatică, supraveghere CBRN, intervenţie EOD etc.) se execută cu limitări, determinate de starea echipamentelor, nivelul tehnologic al acestora, deficitele de dotare şi neasigurarea resurselor pentru mentenanţă şi reparaţii; 5. supravegherea spaţiului aerian şi avertizarea timpurie se asigura cu potenţial limitat, în condiţiile posibilităţilor reduse de menţinere a parametrilor de descoperire a radarelor FPS-117 şi TPS-79® fără alocarea bugetară necesară susţinerii contractelor de suport logistic prin NSpA (NATO Support Agency); 6. transportul aerian strategic se poate execută în limita a opt curse, acoperindu-se nevoile pentru teatrele de operaţii, conform documentelor şi înţelegerilor naţionale şi internaţionale; 7. nu se asigura menţinerea operaţionalizării anumitor capabilităţi, cum ar fi: CSAR (Combat Search and Rescue) şi HTM (elicoptere de transport) 8. nu se poate realiza capacitatea operaţională finală pentru detaşamentul de opt elicoptere de transport NATO, destinat asigurării contribuţiei la NRF 2016 (NATO Reaction Force); 9. nu se poate asigura iniţierea operaţionalizării unor detaşamente formate din elicoptere şi avioane pentru sprijinul Forţelor pentru Operaţii Speciale capacitatea de asigurare a zborurilor speciale, umanitare şi pentru misiuni de intervenţie se va reduce semnificativ, din cauza insuficienţei alocaţiilor bugetare pentru susţinerea mentenantei şi suportului logistic a misiunilor, corespunzător standardelor de siguranţă aeronautică; 0. nu se pot execută zboruri de antrenament pentru exerciţiile trageri sol-aer simulate în poziţiile de baza/poligonul Capul Midia şi nu se poate asigura 1. resursă de aviaţie pentru îndeplinirea planului de cooperare cu celelalte categorii de forţe ale armatei, inclusiv sprijinul forţelor de operaţii speciale; 2. nu se poate realiza instruirea personalului navigant şi a controlorilor de zbor în poziţii înaintate pentru misiuni aer-sol. În caz de război: 1. apărarea aeriană cu aviaţia de vânătoare şi rachetele sol-aer se poate execută numai pe durata a 1-2 zile; 2. nu se asigura apărarea aeriană a aerodromurilor militare, acoperirea aeriană a dispozitivului operativ al forţelor terestre/forţelor navale, precum şi a obiectivelor strategice naţionale; 3. nu se pot execută misiuni de interdicţie aeriană şi sprijin aerian nemijlocit cu avioanele de lupta 4. asigurarea forţelor pentru misiuni de intervenţie la criză teroristă (avioane şi elicoptere) şi pentru descurajare şi reacţie în sprijinul grupării de forţe de nivel brigada întărită/Forţe Terestre, se poate realiza din starea în care se află, în condiţii de disponibilitate limitată a elicopterelor şi nivel de antrenament redus a piloţilor/echipajelor; 5. nu se asigura îndeplinirea angajamentelor României privind participarea cu forţe la operaţii NATO/UE. 6. Cerinţele de mentenanţă, reparaţii şi suport logistic a misiunilor se asigura la un nivel extrem de redus faţă de necesităţi (circa 13%). Sursă: Buletinul Universităţii Naţionale de Apărare „Carol I“ Autori: Lt.drd. Diana MANOLACHE Lt.cdor. Crăciun-Ciprian CHIŞ În acelaşi Buletin cei doi ofiţeri fac şi o evaluare a ceea ce ar însemna dacă bugetul MApN ar fi pentru 2015 la nivelul de 1,7% din PIB. Ar fi numai lucruri bune şi o rază de speranţa, din păcate se aşteaptă încă OK-ul UE pentru cei 0.4% în plus şi deocamdată bugetul Armatei este de 1.31% din PIB. Problema este următoarea: eu nu cred că actualul guvern chiar doreşte o alocare de 1,71% şi o lălăie aşa până când Parlamentul va aprobă Legea Bugetului pe 2015 în formă actuală. Mai apoi – după aprobarea celor 0,4% în plus pentru apărare – vom aştepta până în vara la prima rectificare, dar după experienţă din 2014, când sumele “rectificate” oficial au ajuns într-o proporţie de sub 10% la Armata ne vom trezi că banii au fost “alocaţi” dar nu vor ajunge deloc în buget. În 2014 s-au alocat suplimentar, pe hârtie, peste 900 de milioane de lei: într-o prima tranşă 700 de milioane apoi încă ceva, doar că aceşti bani NU au ajuns la Armata fiind ţinuţi în fondul de rezervă al guvernului acolo unde au şi rămas, o foarte mică parte ajungând până la urmă pentru repararea câtorva tancuri şi trasportoare blindate şi cam atât, banii fiind transferaţi în principal spre sfârşitul anului şi obligând industria să muncească în contratimp să nu piardă banii odată cu încheierea anului fiscal… Din păcate Armata Română că forţă luptătoare, pe timp de pace sau de război, nu prea există: nu avem minimul de tehnică de lupta, nu avem avioane sau elicoptere, nu mai avem rachete AA, radarele au început să cedeze – în lipsa pieselor de schimb, piloţii zboară doar atât cât să nu cadă cu avioanele (pentru că 50-60 de ore zboară doar cei care fac poliţie aeriană, restul dacă prind 20 de ore sunt norocoşi), servicul MEDEVAC nu poate zbura decât pe timp de zi – în lipsa antrenamentului pentru condiţii grele meteo, etc, etc. Mircea Dusă minte cu neruşinare când se spune că Armata îşi poate execută misiunile şi toţi politicienii sunt de fapt apţi pentru puşcărie pentru distrugerea cu voinţă şi din prostie a capacităţii militare a Armatei Române. O ultima veste, nu ştiu dacă este bună sau proastă. Încă de acum doi trecerile pe MIG 21 Lancer au fost sistate în aşteptarea F 16. Ei bine în 2015 trecerea pe Lancer va fi reluată, iar acest lucru ne spulberă orice speranţa în achiziţionarea în următorii ani a încă unei escadrile de F 16, pentru că dacă acest lucru era luat în calcul în următorii 3-4-5 ani se făceau treceri pe F 16. Astfel că deocamdată zvonurile cum că s-ar pregăti încă 1-2 escadrile de F 16 sunt simple manipulări, menite să adoarmă corul de „Huo!” al celor care ştiu că 12 avioane sunt doar o glumă proastă. Cel mai probbail vom rămâne cu 1,31% din PIB, iar o eventuală rectificare va fi la fel de falsă cum au fost şi cele 2 sau 3 din 2014. Trebuie să înţelegem că Armata Română nu mai poate să asigure nici măcar un minim de protecţie şi pe mai departe TREBUIE să acţionăm în consecinţă sau să acceptăm că nu mai avem armata… În privinţa posibilităţii că totuşi bugetul MApN pe 2015 să fie în cele din urmă la nivelul de 1,7% din PIB, optimismul autorilor articolului nu îmi este deloc explicabil. Mai pe româneşte chiar dacă Armata va primi 1,7% din PIB nu-mi este foarte clar de unde va putea să finanţeze toate cele cuprinse în studiu şi din acest motiv prefer să nu comentez deloc varianta “fericită”, tocmai pentru că şi la 1.7% tot nasol va fi în principl datorită moştenirii şi decapitalizării – la nivel de resurse – prin care Armata trece de foarte mulţi ani. Singură şansă de mai bine este alocarea multianuală pe proiecte clare şi asumate de către guvern că şi finanţarea din fonduri diferite de bugetul MApN pentru achiziţiile majore: rachetele cu rază lungă (dar şi medie şi scurtă), nave de lupta, avioane de lupta, TAB-uri sau maşini 4×4 blindate şi neblindate. Până când aceste lucruri nu vor fi legiferate nu avem şanse prea mari pentru o dotare seriosă chiar dacă într-un târziu dezideratul celor 2% va fi atins… PS Îmi pare rău că va stric începutul de an, dar până la urmă adevărul este cel mai bun remediu pentru orice boală, iar minciună – mai ales cea a înalţilor oficiali – este o bolala extrem de periculoasă, mortală chiar! sursa: rumaniamilitary.ro PS We where tought in oficer school that a tank batalion has 18 tanks and a regiment 56,but ,probably things changed since then. |
| Posted by: Vici January 20, 2015 03:50 pm |
| Agarici, I fully agree with what you wrote. Idiocy is a very prized "quality" for our Army leaders and politicians. Yes, some T-55AM were scrapped, while some units still use T-55A, here an image of an AM in a scrapyard: http://www.ziaruldevrancea.ro/actualitatea/77062-video-cimitirul-masinariilor-mortii-in-focsani.html An article in the old Top Gun magazine from 1999 stated that there is a total of 315 TR-85 tanks available. With 56 upgraded to M1 Bison standard, another 56 non upgraded in service at Bacau, and 5 transformed into DMT-85M1, that leaves 198 tanks stored. That is, if they didn't scrap these too !!! My guess is they don't use them because they are not reliable, the engine and transmission leaks and breaks all the time because of a few faulty gaskets and O-rings which could not be manufactured at the right specifications in country. When they were built in the late 80's Ceausescu forbid any imports. regarding that MLI-84 photo, I also have it on my computer, downloaded in 2008. I suppose it was taken a few years before that. The vehicles stored at Cluj, are you sure they are MLI? I never heard of the type being deployed in Transilvania after 1989. They could also be MLVM? |
| Posted by: Agarici January 24, 2015 06:22 am | ||
I think your explanation about not using the basic TR 85s because they are mechanical unreliable is valid, but even so (and strangely enough) they do equip one unit. If not scrapped, there is at least a theoretical possibility to upgrade at least some of them in the folowing years to the M 1 standard. This however does not justify the stupidity/incompetence to scrap T 55 AM and to use the A model. About the MLI’s from Someseni, I’m pretty sure they were there. They were in the streets of Cluj in December 1989, and were seen by me in 1996-1997, when I did my (then compulsory) military service in a nearby unit. I remember their ”big” (73 mm I think) gun, so I’d say they weren’t MLVMs; also, there were no mountain units in the area. Off-topic question: As far as I know, the T 55 AM in use with other armies (and the T 85 from the Military Museum in Buchaerst - please correct me if I’m wrong) has both added ”horse-shoe” armor and smoke-grenade launchers on the turret. But apparently neither models in use in the Romanian military (before and after 1989) does not spot them, and I’m referring to various photos with tanks during the Romanian Revolution, Targu-Mures 1990 and at maneuvers. Is there any reason for that, or different (sub)specifications in the models? |
| Posted by: Vici January 27, 2015 09:57 am |
| I don't understand your question about the AM. Romania ordered in 1969 and imported 850 T-55A and K(command version of the A) between 1970-1977 from the USSR In 1984 we acquired from the USSR the license to upgrade to AM standard. The upgrade was done on some - not all - of the tanks between 1985-89. It is unknown how many upgrade examples were contracted, and how many were done. All the T-55s which were upgraded to AM standard have the horseshoe armor (Brezhnev's eyebrows) and the smoke grenades launcher. What is different between them is the FCS. Some have the Volna FCS and a Soviet laser rangefinder - like the one in the Military Museum in Bucharest, and those used by the 814 battalion at Campia Turzii. See: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.730520666985533.1073742027.418420948195508&type=3 Some had the Kladivo FCS from Czechoslovakia - like the ones scrapped in the link I provided above. And some had the Romanian made Ciclop FCS with a wind sensor. The tanks from the now disbanded regiment at Botosani had that - search cartula.ro for photos. |
| Posted by: Agarici January 28, 2015 09:22 pm |
| Vici, I was asking that because in the photos from 1989-1990 I saw, the T 55 AM's din not spot those smoke grenade launchers (the same thing for the basic TR, even in recent photos), and I was wondering if any of the two models still have the old smoke-making system by injecting oil in the combustion chamber of the engine. As for the horse-shoe armor, were they designed for the un-upgraded TR, or only for the M 1 version? If I'm right, the TR from the NMM has that added side and frontal armor, but I haven't seen it on any other basic TR. Thank you! |
| Posted by: Vici February 05, 2015 09:02 am |
| The basic TR-85 never had smoke grenade launchers, nor additional turret armor. The only ones that have them are the 56 upgraded TR-85M1 Bison and the TR-85M prototype at the museum. Add-on turret armor is different between the prototype M and the serial production upgrade M1. Don't know if they have the oil injection smoke system. |
| Posted by: Hadrian May 18, 2016 05:45 pm | ||
Update for 345th Artillery Battalion, based on this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyDAT7KUoA0 |