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Posted by: Alexei2102 June 01, 2006 08:10 pm
Hello all,

I need some info on the exploits of Romanian troops against the 15Komp/4 Reg FJIK (The Brandenburgers). I know for sure that SS FJ elements did not came to Romania to re-enact "Margarethe 2" n Bucharest, only Brandenburgers. But here the sources became very different in drawing the situations, because I have heard of 3 scenarios:

1. The Brandenburgers tried to came to Otopeni Airport, but because of heavy Romanian Flak they diverted to Mizil, where they regrouped and tried to escape to Jugoslavia. They were attacked and annihilated on the way back/

2. The Brandenburgers deployed to Otopeni, regained control of the airport, and after negotiations with the Romanians, they were allowed to go along with the other German units, and to retreat out of Bucharest, and eventually out of Romania. On the road, they were betrayed by the Romanians, and all were turned to the Soviets as POWs.

3. The Brandenburgers deployed to Otopeni, but they were attacked by the Romanian 4th Paras, and annihilated.

Nonetheless, this was the last airborne action of the Brandenburgers, because after that the remains of the unit were reorganised into "Brandenburg Division" and sent with the GD Division to fight the last desperate fights in Eastern Prussia against the Soviet Tide.

So, in conclusion, if you do have some fresh info on this subject, please do not hesitate to share.


Posted by: Carol I June 02, 2006 06:32 am
Take a look in the other threads dealing with this topic (http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=1211&view=findpost&p=16539 and http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=3183&view=findpost&p=49805).

Posted by: Alexei2102 June 02, 2006 12:10 pm
I already checked the above mentioned threads. This and other sources I used to elaborate the 3 scenarios from. I need some fresh info, if possible.

Many thanks also for the suplied info, but I really need some more accurate data.

Posted by: Carol I June 02, 2006 12:26 pm
See also the discussion in the thread http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=2336.

Posted by: New Connaught Ranger June 02, 2006 01:47 pm
QUOTE (Alexei2102 @ Jun 1 2006, 08:10 PM)
Hello all,

I need some info on the exploits of Romanian troops against the 15Komp/4 Reg FJIK (The Brandenburgers). I know for sure that SS FJ elements did not came to Romania to re-enact "Margarethe 2" n Bucharest, only Brandenburgers. But here the sources became very different in drawing the situations, because I have heard of 3 scenarios:

1. The Brandenburgers tried to came to Otopeni Airport, but because of heavy Romanian Flak they diverted to Mizil, where they regrouped and tried to escape to Jugoslavia. They were attacked and annihilated on the way back/

2. The Brandenburgers deployed to Otopeni, regained control of the airport, and after negotiations with the Romanians, they were allowed to go along with the other German units, and to retreat out of Bucharest, and eventually out of Romania. On the  road, they were betrayed by the Romanians, and all were turned to the Soviets as POWs.

3. The Brandenburgers deployed to Otopeni, but they were attacked by the Romanian 4th Paras, and annihilated.

Nonetheless, this was the last airborne action of the Brandenburgers, because after that the remains of the unit were reorganised into "Brandenburg Division" and sent with the GD Division to fight the last desperate fights in Eastern Prussia against the Soviet Tide.

So, in conclusion, if you do have some fresh info on this subject, please do not hesitate to share.

Hallo, Alexi2102 biggrin.gif

Just a quick question with regards your scenarios,

If the Brandenbergers were annihaleted (which means wiped out to a man) how could the remains of the unit be formed into the Brandenberd Division?? unsure.gif

Or do you mean the remainder of the unit that was left in Germany and not involved in the Romanian mission became the Brandemberger Division??

Kevin in Deva biggrin.gif

Posted by: sid guttridge June 02, 2006 02:12 pm
Hi Alexei,

There is a lot of misinformation about this action in English-language publications.

Otopeni is sometimes described as "captured" by the Brandenburgers. In fact it was predominantly a German night fighter airfield and they merely had to land there.

In attempting to get there two or more Me323 Gigants were shot down by the Romanians, each of which contained up to a company of Brandenburgers. Survivors were captured by the Romanians. Perhaps only a minority of the Brandenburger Parachute Battalion reached Otopeni safely.

The betrayal was not by the Romanians but by the German General Gerstenberg. Gerstenberg had been captured by the Romanians in Bucharest on the evening of 23 August. He agreed on parole to go to Otopeni with a Romanian general to organise the peaceful withdrawal of German forces from Romania. As soon as he entered the German perimeter at Otopeni he arrested the Romanian general and organised the bombing and an attack on Bucharest headed by the Brandenburgers the following day. It failed.

It is unlikely that the Romanian 4th Parachute Battalion came into direct contact with the Brandenburgers at Otopeni. Part of it was caught in a friendly fire incident when it was hit by US heavy bombers while moving up to attack Otopeni and it suffered heavy losses.

However, the Brandenburgers did attempt two platoon-sized attacks on other Romanian airfields. The plan was to land in Ju52s and destroy many of the modern German aircraft in Romanian service. Both air-landings failed. On one occasion elements of the Romanian 4th Parachute Battalion were reportedly present.

After the failure of the attack on Bucharest the German force at Otopeni fled north. However, they were intercepted by major Romanian forces falling back from the front and surrendered to them, not to the Red Army. Some of the Brandenburgers amongst them slipped away and made their way back to German-Hungarian lines across the Carpathian Mountains

The operation was a major special forces debacle from the German point of view. The Brandenburger Parachute Battalion was effectively wiped out without making any significant impact.

Much of this is detailed in a Luftwaffe after-action reported prepared in early 1945. There is a copy in the Imperial War Museum in London and it has been published in Romania in both the German original and Romanian.

Cheers,

Sid.


Posted by: Alexei2102 June 02, 2006 02:17 pm
QUOTE (New Connaught Ranger @ Jun 2 2006, 01:47 PM)
QUOTE (Alexei2102 @ Jun 1 2006, 08:10 PM)
Hello all,

I need some info on the exploits of Romanian troops against the 15Komp/4 Reg FJIK (The Brandenburgers). I know for sure that SS FJ elements did not came to Romania to re-enact "Margarethe 2" n Bucharest, only Brandenburgers. But here the sources became very different in drawing the situations, because I have heard of 3 scenarios:

1. The Brandenburgers tried to came to Otopeni Airport, but because of heavy Romanian Flak they diverted to Mizil, where they regrouped and tried to escape to Jugoslavia. They were attacked and annihilated on the way back/

2. The Brandenburgers deployed to Otopeni, regained control of the airport, and after negotiations with the Romanians, they were allowed to go along with the other German units, and to retreat out of Bucharest, and eventually out of Romania. On the  road, they were betrayed by the Romanians, and all were turned to the Soviets as POWs.

3. The Brandenburgers deployed to Otopeni, but they were attacked by the Romanian 4th Paras, and annihilated.

Nonetheless, this was the last airborne action of the Brandenburgers, because after that the remains of the unit were reorganised into "Brandenburg Division" and sent with the GD Division to fight the last desperate fights in Eastern Prussia against the Soviet Tide.

So, in conclusion, if you do have some fresh info on this subject, please do not hesitate to share.

Hallo, Alexi2102 biggrin.gif

Just a quick question with regards your scenarios,

If the Brandenbergers were annihaleted (which means wiped out to a man) how could the remains of the unit be formed into the Brandenberd Division?? unsure.gif

Or do you mean the remainder of the unit that was left in Germany and not involved in the Romanian mission became the Brandemberger Division??

Kevin in Deva biggrin.gif

Hello Kevin,

I was talking about the 15Komp/4 Reg of the Brandenburgers, the only part of the Division that have the Fallschirmschutzen Abzeischen der Heeres (Para Training). Beside the 15Komp, the Brandenburgers had also Kompanies specialised as Gebirgs, PzGren, and so forth.

The remains that I am talking about are the units that had not taken part in the failed Margarethe 2 in Romania. Among them, very few remained with the Kampfgruppe GD, most of the specialist (FJR trained ones) followed Kurt Rybka into SS-FJ BTL 600 in Eastern Prussia and Skorzeny JGVB 500 in the Ardennes.

So, basically, out of the "Brandenburg Division", only a few of them were Para trained, and this are the ones that my interested is focused on.

LE: Many thanks for the info Sid. Do you know by any chance that elements of the Brandenburgers jumped with Von der Heydte in Ardennes ?

Posted by: sid guttridge June 08, 2006 10:57 am
Hi alexei,

I know little about German special forces operations in the Ardennes beyond the fact that all the fluent English speakers used by Skorzeny in the Ardennes offensive were former Brandenbergers. Skorzeny tends to get the credit for the groundwork of others - i.e. Luftwaffe paratroops in the rescue of Mussolini, Brandenbergers in the Ardennes, etc.

Cheers,

Sid.

Posted by: Alexei2102 June 08, 2006 12:34 pm
Hi Sid,

Indeed, you are right about operation Greif, former Brandenburgers now members of Jagdverbande 500, and of course fluent English speakers were involved. I was talking about operation Stosser, when members of the FJR 6 and different jump qualified remnants of FJR and FJIK jumped with Von der Heydte. I was very interested if anyone knows that former jump-qualified Brandenburgers jumped with Kampfgruppe VDH.

Here are some rarely seen photos from "Operation Stosser". Credits: Greg Way's site (http://www.eagle19.freeserve.co.uk/index.html). Enjoy:

http://imageshack.us

http://imageshack.us

Posted by: mars June 08, 2006 09:39 pm
QUOTE (sid guttridge @ Jun 8 2006, 10:57 AM)
Hi alexei,

I know little about German special forces operations in the Ardennes beyond the fact that all the fluent English speakers used by Skorzeny in the Ardennes offensive were former Brandenbergers. Skorzeny tends to get the credit for the groundwork of others - i.e. Luftwaffe paratroops in the rescue of Mussolini, Brandenbergers in the Ardennes, etc.

Cheers,

Sid.

sid, that was not true, only handfull of those Skorzeny's commando in the arden offense could speak Englist, let along "fluently English", and most of those commandos had nothing to do with Brandenbergers

Posted by: sid guttridge June 09, 2006 09:39 am
Hi Mars,

Not so. It is certainly true that only a small number of Skorzeny's men were English speakers. However, amongst them the only totally fluent ones (a very small number indeed) were all former Brandenbergers. These were the vital men.

Cheers,

Sid.

Posted by: Alexei2102 June 09, 2006 02:13 pm
Hi Sid,

You're absolutely right. All of Skorzeny jump-qualified men were taken from "Brandenburg" and SS-FJR BTL 500. However, all of the English-speaking men were former Brandenburgers. So, you are very right on this issue also.

Cheers,

Al

Posted by: mars June 09, 2006 03:48 pm
QUOTE (Alexei2102 @ Jun 9 2006, 02:13 PM)
Hi Sid,

You're absolutely right. All of Skorzeny jump-qualified men were taken from "Brandenburg" and SS-FJR BTL 500. However, all of the English-speaking men were former Brandenburgers. So, you are very right on this issue also.

Cheers,

Al

sid and Alexei2102, did you read Michael Schadewitz’s "The Meuse First and Then Antwerp" ? this is the best book about Panzerbrigade 150 in the Ardennes offense published in English.

Posted by: Alexei2102 June 09, 2006 04:22 pm
@mars,

I admit the fact the I have not read the book you have just mentioned. However, my theory (and Sid's by affiliation) is based upon 4 books that I consider to be more precise on this particular subject, namely Brandenburgers:

1. Otto Skorzeny's memoirs.

2. "Forgotten Legions of the Waffen SS" by Antonio Munoz

3. "Brandenburgers" by Franz Kurowski

4. Fallschirmjager von der Waffen SS im Bild by Siegried Milius.

Books 1, 2 and 3 reffers speciffically to the subject. Book 4 only indirectly, when it mentions the fact that the remains of the SS-FJ BTL 500 were incorporated into Jagverbande 500 at Skorzeny's request, alongside "Brandenburgers elements".

Cheers,

Alex

Posted by: mars June 09, 2006 06:35 pm
QUOTE (Alexei2102 @ Jun 9 2006, 04:22 PM)
@mars,

I admit the fact the I have not read the book you have just mentioned. However, my theory (and Sid's by affiliation) is based upon 4 books that I consider to be more precise on this particular subject, namely Brandenburgers:

1. Otto Skorzeny's memoirs.

2. "Forgotten Legions of the Waffen SS" by Antonio Munoz

3. "Brandenburgers" by Franz Kurowski

4. Fallschirmjager von der Waffen SS im Bild by Siegried Milius.

Books 1, 2 and 3 reffers speciffically to the subject. Book 4 only indirectly, when it mentions the fact that the remains of the SS-FJ BTL 500 were incorporated into Jagverbande 500 at Skorzeny's request, alongside "Brandenburgers elements".

Cheers,

Alex

Alexei, you should lay off any books written by Franz Kurowski ( is he the author of "panzer aces" ?) any way highly recommand "The Meuse First and Then Antwerp", in that book, Mr Michael Schadewitz's research reach to altra detail level, no other book could (at least in English, sorry, I could not read German) describe better on orgnization of Panzerbrigade 150 and the very details of the operation plan and execution.

Posted by: sid guttridge June 10, 2006 10:03 am
Hi Guys,

The Ardennes is not my area of expertise, so I will drop out now with one final question:

What specifically does Schadewitz say about the origins of the fluent (I emphasise "fluent") English speakers used in the Ardennes?

Cheers,

Sid.

Posted by: Alexei2102 June 10, 2006 10:34 am
QUOTE (sid guttridge @ Jun 10 2006, 10:03 AM)
Hi Guys,

The Ardennes is not my area of expertise, so I will drop out now with one final question:

What specifically does Schadewitz say about the origins of the fluent (I emphasise "fluent") English speakers used in the Ardennes?

Cheers,

Sid.

I have not read Schadewitz, but I have other sources. My opinion is that Skorzeny's memoirs are best source of them all on this particular info. And he mentions the fact that his English-speaking members of "Operation Greif" were former Brandenburgers.


Posted by: mars June 11, 2006 03:27 am
QUOTE (Alexei2102 @ Jun 10 2006, 10:34 AM)
QUOTE (sid guttridge @ Jun 10 2006, 10:03 AM)
Hi Guys,

The Ardennes is not my area of expertise, so I will drop out now with one final question:

What specifically does Schadewitz say about the origins of the fluent (I emphasise "fluent") English speakers used in the Ardennes?

Cheers,

Sid.

I have not read Schadewitz, but I have other sources. My opinion is that Skorzeny's memoirs are best source of them all on this particular info. And he mentions the fact that his English-speaking members of "Operation Greif" were former Brandenburgers.

Alexei, not necessary, sometimes do not entirely trust someone's memoirs, I do not have Schadewitz's book in my hand, but I can say for sure, there were only "handful" if not less who could speak English "fluently", and not all of them were "Brandenburgers", it took Skorzeny many times try to find those kind of men from Heer and Waffen-SS without much success !

Posted by: sid guttridge June 12, 2006 10:34 am
Hi Mars,

I think you are wrong. There were very few fluent American-English speakers in Skorzeny's command during the Ardennes offensive and all were former Brandenbergers.

Please dig out Schadewitz as soon as practicable, as it seems to be the only source that may support your proposition.

Cheerrs,

Sid.

Posted by: Alexei2102 June 12, 2006 12:39 pm
Some info and scans from Ian Westwell's book on Brandenburgers (Spearhead 13):

Einheit Stielau

Known Brandenburgers:

L/Cpl Wilhelm Schmidt
Oberfahnrich Gunther Billing
Cpl Manfred Pernass


And their fate in pictures:

http://imageshack.us

http://imageshack.us

http://imageshack.us

I must apologise for the quality of pictures, but I am kinda new at using my scanner.

Posted by: Victor June 12, 2006 03:48 pm
Please get back to the original topic.

Posted by: mars August 30, 2006 04:18 am
QUOTE (Alexei2102 @ June 10, 2006 10:34 am)
QUOTE (sid guttridge @ Jun 10 2006, 10:03 AM)
Hi Guys,

The Ardennes is not my area of expertise, so I will drop out now with one final question:

What specifically does Schadewitz say about the origins of the fluent (I emphasise "fluent") English speakers used in the Ardennes?

Cheers,

Sid.

I have not read Schadewitz, but I have other sources. My opinion is that Skorzeny's memoirs are best source of them all on this particular info. And he mentions the fact that his English-speaking members of "Operation Greif" were former Brandenburgers.

OK, this is what I got: Skorzeny received the order Oct 22, 1944 to organize Panzer Brigade 150, supposely consist of English-speaking German soldiers wearing American uniforms , traveled wi captured Allied viechles to infliltrate through the American line adn proceed ahead of German armored advance to seize the important bridges across the Meuse River from Namur to Liege, so called Operation Greif, skorzeny was grant to power to get any person and weapony from all service of Germany military system. However after more than 1 month, Skorzeny only managed to collect around 1000 men, among them, only TEN men could speak the American English perfectlywith a working knowledge of slang, most of them were sailors from Kriegs-marine who were employed as sailors before the war, 35 more men could speak American English well, but knew no slang and with German accent, another 300 could speak "some" English, and the overwhelming majority (700-800 men) could say no more than simple sentence such as "yes" or "no", there were seriouls flaw about weapon too, Skorzeny was supposely received 15 Sherman tanks, 32 armor cars, 198 trucks and 147 jeeps, instead he received only 2 Shearman tanks (only one of them was operational), 6 German halftracks, 57 jeeps and 74 trucks(only 15 of which were US Frod models), even the American uniforms were in short supply, some uniforms he received had "POW" sign on its back ! Five Panthers and five assault guns had to be crudely disguised with sheet mental to resemble M-10 tank destroyers to supplant the armored deficiency which of course hardly could deceive anybody.
Since Skorzeny had far few men than planed 3300-men strength, he had to demanded some regular army units(English not required) for stiffening, he received two parachute infantry battlions from KG 200, the 7th Panzer Grenadier Company and a mortar and signals company, and soldiers from SS Jagdverband Mitte and SS Fallschirmjager Battalion 600, his tank and assault gun crews were come from Panzerjager Battalion 655 and the 6th panzer division, at the eve of battle of Bulge, Skorzeny had 2500 men under his command,NO Brandenburg units were inculded in his OOB, of course it was possible there were some individial brandenburg commando joined Panzer Brigade 150.
A company of special jeep teams were organized under SS-HauptsturmFuhrer Steilau which include those spoke English best were planed to pentrate behind American line to sow confusion in the American rear, but because of the shortage of the US jeeps, only part of this company, 44 men in all, organized in 4 reconnaissance teams, two demolition groups and 6 lead commando teams, acutally pentrated the American line, the main force of Panzer Brigade 150 was trapped into the heavy traffic jam behind the aromor spearhead of the 6th panzer armee, by the evening of the second day of the battle of bulge, it seemed apparent to Skorzeny that no decisive breakthrough was going to manifes in the sixth panzer armee, so he asked and was grant to cancel his operation and commit his brigade as a regular combat unit.
the combat of Panzer Brigade 150 as a regular combat unit was a failure, Skorzeny suffered heavy loss and achieved virtually nothing, but his special unit performed well, although they inflicted little physical damage, the caused huge confusion behind America line, from this perspective, this part of operation was a success, but Germans paid a price, only 3 teams returned to German line without loss, and 3 other teams returned with calsualties, totaly 18 men, 12 of Germans commando were captured by American and later executed, Gunther Billing, Manfred Pernass and Wilhelm Schmidt were among them, by the way, what was your source these three were Brandenbergs ?, other 14 commando must be killed in the fire fight

Posted by: Alexei2102 August 30, 2006 09:26 am
Source of information: Ian Westwell's book on Brandenburgers (Spearhead 13)

Posted by: mark v. August 30, 2006 08:46 pm
To return back to the original topic.

Sid,

This is the most comprehensive description of Brandenburg FJB actions I came across.

On a side note, there was one other Brandenburg unit apparently facing the Romanians - 3rd Battalion from the 4th Brandenburg Regiment is reported to had been fighting around Klausenberg.

Marko

Posted by: Alexei2102 August 31, 2006 07:17 am
Hi Mark,

Since you're into Brandenburgers as well, you might enjoy this one also:

http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=3185

Check the latest entries, you're in for a small "Brandenburg" surprise.

All the best,

Alex

Posted by: mark v. August 31, 2006 09:46 pm
Indeed. Very nice, Alex!! Your're one lucky guy. smile.gif

Posted by: Alexei2102 September 03, 2006 07:02 pm
Don't know if anyone might be interested, but here is a small listing of feldpostnummer for the Brandenburgers:

Source: T315/2112, Frame 000498:
4th Rgt/Division ‘BR’ feldpostnummer, dated 14.1.44

Fuehrungsstab(KG v. Hugo) 58 838
Heimatstab 47 681
KG Walter 32 775
Stab. I./4. Rgt(KG Hollman) 35 302
1./4. Rgt 34 716
2./ “ 08 393
3./ “ 01 219
4. (Leg.)/ “ 09 529 (ehem.10./4.Rgt.)
Stab/II./4.Rgt 34 922
6./4.Rgt 45 194
7./ “ 00 825
8./ “ 02 050
9./ “ 07 087
Stab/III./4.Rgt 44 414
11./4. Rgt 44 414A
12./ “ 44 414B
13./ “ 44 414C
14./ “ 44 414D

15./4.Rgt 39 958
16./ “ 44 468
Stab/Leg.Btl./4.Rgt 57 281
1./Leg.Btl. 43 322
2./ “ 10 446
3./ “ (Leg. Verb. Seuberlich) 58 642

Source: T315/2112, Frame 000490, a document dated 5 Dec 43:

Division feldpostnummer and Standort

1. Rgt. 02 152, Freiburg/Br.
2. Rgt. 03 813, Baden bei Wien
3. Rgt. 44 040, Dueren/Rhld
4. Rgt. 47 681, Brandenburg/Havel
KJ-Abt. 06 378, Langenargen/Bodensee
Nachrichten-Abt. 26 485, Berlin-Zehlendorf
Einheit Kirchner 38 951, Brandenburg/Havel
Div.Stab. 05 411, Berlin
[Added from 9.9.43 document, Frame 000469]
Leg.Erg.Kp. 38 951, Brandenburg/Havel


These come very handy when checking in a Soldbuch or any other personal documents. The Brandenburgers never used the Divisional name in documents before 1943, so the FP number is the only way to make a correct ID.

Source of information - axishistory forums.

Posted by: Klemen September 30, 2006 11:40 am
I don't know if this can be to anyone's interest, but I have somewhere Ian Westwell's book "The Brandenburgers. The Third Reich's Special Forces" in an electronic version and if anyone is interested I could put it online. It's about fifty pages long and has some nice maps and other useful info about the Brandenburgers. Just an offer if anyone is interested...

Posted by: Alexei2102 September 30, 2006 07:12 pm
Excerpt from Kurowski's book on Brandenburgers

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Posted by: Klemen September 30, 2006 09:09 pm
Speaking of Brandenburg commandos and Romania does anyone have any details about the little-known action of a small combat engineer detachment of the Brandenburgers, which crossed the Danube in the night of 5th/6th April 1941 in the area of the Sipski Canal and occupied the Iron Gate?

Posted by: Alexei2102 October 18, 2006 08:14 pm
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Posted by: Alexei2102 October 22, 2006 07:01 pm
BRANDENBURG PARATROOPS

The Brandenburg Division began as a Special Purpose Battalion, the Bau-Lehr-Bataillon zbV 800, formed on December 15th 1939 to carry out special operations and sabotage. These special purpose troops were based near Berlin, in Brandenburg, hence the nickname that would become part of their official unit designation. The first Brandenburg paras were a small detachment under the command of a sergeant, who reported for jump training in February 1940. They received the Luftwaffe Parachutists’ Badge. In May 1940, the battalion became the Brandenburg-Lehr-Regiment zbV 800 and the para-trained elements were formed into a platoon, based at Stendal under Leutnant Lütke, as part of the 4th Company of the regiment’s 1st Battalion.

Brandenburgers took part in the invasions of the Low Countries, France and Norway. There is a photograph of a Brandenburger posing in civilian clothes with Luftwaffe Fallschirmjäger at Moerdijk. But these Brandenburgers are not known to have jumped into action. They may not even have been para-trained. The Brandenburg paras’ first airborne mission as a unit came on June 25th 1941, in the opening stages of the invasion of the USSR, when the parachute platoon jumped and secured two railway bridges on the Lido-Molodechno line. Increased to company strength that autumn, the platoon became the 1st Battalion’s 4th (Parachute) Company, under the command of Leutnant Kürschner and, later, Leutnant Gerlach. Brandenburgers also participated in raids behind enemy lines and operations against Free French forces in North Africa. Some of these missions were certainly airborne but remain to be researched.

As well as spearhead operations, the Brandenburg Regiment was heavily involved in anti-partisan warfare in Russia throughout 1942 and early 1943. The 1st Bn was attached to Army Group A. In January 1943, as a prelude to the expansion of the regiment to divisional size, the battalions were temporarily renamed. Regimental HQ became Brandenburg Sonderverband 800, the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Battalions becoming, respectively, Brandenburg Sonderverband 801, 802 and 803.

With the formation of the Brandenburg Division - which still retained the special purpose designation ‘zbV 800’ for zur besonderen Verwendung in its title - in Germany in April 1943, the airborne company was reformed as 15 (Parachute) Coy, 3rd Bn, 4th Light Infantry Regiment, Brandenburg Division zbV 800. At this time, they were still receiving Luftwaffe jump badges.

The 4th Regt was posted to Yugoslavia on April 17 1943, on attachment to the 1st Mountain Division based at Sjenica. As in Russia, they found themselves embroiled in brutal anti-partisan warfare. With the 4th Regiment’s subsequent move in October to Sarajevo to disarm Italian forces there, 15 (Parachute) Coy moved to a new base at the Mataruska Banja airfield outside Kraljevo, about 200 km to the east, where the Luftwaffe had relocated Parachute School N° 3, where SS-Fallschirmjäger-Bataillon 500 recruits would later be trained.

On October 5th 1943, 15 (Parachute) Coy and elements of 22 Airlanding Division carried out Operation Polar Bear (Eisbär), a glider borne assault aimed at neutralizing the British airbase on the Greek island of Kos, just off the Turkish coast. Polar Bear was a success, depriving Allied forces in the Dodecanese of vital air support and paving the way for Operation Leopard the following month, the intended capture of the small but strategically vital island of Leros to the north. After Kos, the Brandenburg paras also seized the islands of Stampalia and Levita from Anglo-Italian forces.

Leros was defended by an Anglo-Italian force of more than 8550, commanded by the British General Tillney and supported by heavy artillery. The German forces, under the command of Luftwaffe General Müller, comprised the 1st Bn, 2nd Parachute Regiment - I./FJ-R2 - commanded by Hauptmann Martin Kühne, and 15 (Parachute) Coy, backed by 22 Airlanding Division and the 3rd Bn, commanded by Leutnant Max Wandrey, of the Brandenburg Division’s 1st Light Infantry Regt, would come in by sea, accompanied by elements from the Küstenjäger-Abteilung, the Brandenburger’s coastal raiders.

Just after 1300 hrs on November 12th 1943, 15 (Parachute) Coy jumped on Leros from a height of 600 feet with the 2nd and 4th Companies of 1/FJR2. Once on the DZ, they formed up and moved out quickly, capturing Monte Rachi, one of the island’s dominant heights.

The next day, the defending forces in the north and south having been cut off from one another by the Germans, a second drop of reinforcements from FJR2 came in. Meanwhile, other reinforcements were landing by sea. But the defenders were putting up a ferocious resistance and there were times when the German position looked very shaky indeed. On the 14th, a Stuka-supported attempt by I./FJR2 and 15 (Parachute) Coy to take the British HQ on Monte Meroviglia in the north-west of the island was beaten off and the paras had to retreat back to their SP on Monte Rachi.

But the next day, I./FJR2 and the Brandenburgers rose out of their positions on Monte Rachi and stormed Monte Meroviglia, routing the British. On the 16th, Leutnant Wandrey, who would go on to win the Knight’s Cross in 1944 and then the Oakleaves in 1945, captured General Tillney and it was all over bar the shouting. By nightfall on the 17th, the Allied forces on Leros had all surrendered.

In February 1944, the Fallschirmjäger-Bataillon Brandenburg was formed at Stendal under the command of Hauptmann Weithöner, while 15 (Parachute) Coy remained on the order of battle as an independent sub-unit under Oberleutnant Oschatz. FJ-Btl Brandenburg didn’t have to wait long for their first mission. In March 1944, the battalion took part on Operation Margarethe, the occupation of Budapest, arrest of Hungarian leader Admiral Horthy and disarming of forces loyal to the Honvéd, the Hungarian government, following a Hungarian declaration of intent to surrender as soon as the first Allied troops crossed their borders.

The operation was planned along classic Trojan Horse lines by Brandenburg Divisional commander Generalmajor von Pfuhlstein. Two convoys of troops, one composed of Brandenburgers from the 1st, 2nd and 4th Regiments and elements of the Panzer Lehrdivision, supposedly “in transit”, would just happen to be in Budapest in the evening of March 18th, the day before the start of the operation. At the same time, FJ-Btl Brandenburg would capture the airport at Budaörs just outside Budapest. By March 16th, a Brandenburg signals unit was already installed in a Budapest hotel room to coordinate the operation.

Other units involved included Otto Skorzeny’s SS-Jagdverbände, SS-Fallschirmjägerbataillon 500, sub-units from SS divisions Florian Geyer, Reichsführer-SS, Wiking, Maria Theresia and various Army units. Operation Margarthe was successful and FJ-Btl Brandenburg returned home to Stendal.

In May 1944, Brandenburg personnel and specialists took part in the airborne assault by SS-FJ-Btl 500 on Tito's HQ at Drvar. In June 1944, the battalion was sent to Estonia to mount an airborne assault on the Baltic island of Aaland in order to deny it to advancing Soviet forces in the aftermath of the Finnish capitulation. The mission was cancelled.

In August, two companies of FJ-Btl Brandenburg, merged with two companies of the Brandenburg’s 3rd Regiment, took part in the ill-fated “Relief of Bucharest”. The aim was to rescue two generals - and their troops - whose HQ was encircled by pro-Soviet Romanian forces. A small force of Brandenburg paras seized Bucharest’s Otopeni Airport at midday on August 24th and held it until 1900 hrs, when their comrades began arriving in Me 323 Gigants.

By 2100 hrs, the airport and encircled German HQ areas were under German control. Negotiations with the Romanians, some of whom still professed loyalty to their German allies, secured promises that German forces in and around Bucharest would have safe passage to the Yugoslav border. But all pretence of any cooperation ended on September 1st. As the German column was leaving Bucharest, protected by Brandenburgers, the Romanians turned them over to the Soviets. Few if any of the Brandenburgers survived Soviet captivity. The ORBAT of FJ-Btl Brandenburg was reduced by half as a result of the Bucharest mission.

On September 13 1944, the Brandenburg Division was converted into a regular Panzergrenadier Division and assigned to Panzerkorps Grossdeutschland. The veterans of the Brandenburg’s special forces units were very disgruntled by this. But to be fair to the OKW, the Brandenburg Division had really grown out of its original rôle. Several Brandenburg officers had also been implicated in the July 20th bomb plot and the Brandenburg was still seen by the Nazi hierarchy and the RSHA in particular as an Abwehr creation and therefore essentially suspect in Nazi eyes.

Politics aside, the Brandenburg Division numbered some 14,000 men by the summer of 1944, of whom not more than 2500 - the FJ-Btl, Kustenjäger-Btl and 15 Independent Para Coy - could be described as Special Forces. And of those, no more than an estimated 900 spoke one or more foreign languages. The vast majority of Brandenburgers were trained as and fought as regular infantry.

The paras and coastal raiders were not included in the new ORBAT and were offered transfers to other units. Many naturally went to Skorzeny’s SS-Jagdverbände and to SS-FJ Btl 500 which reformed in October and November 1944 as SS-FJ Btl 600. Some Brandenburg paras went with the new Panzergrenadier Division Brandenburg, as the photograph of the Pz-Div Brandenburg assault gun crew members sporting the Army Parachutists’ Badge on their grey wrappers show.

To some extent, the RSHA had stepped into the gap created by the expansion of the old Brandenburg Regiment into a Division, forming the SS-Jagdverbände commando units, based in Friedenthal under Otto Skorzeny. A number of Brandenburgers had already transferred to the SS-Jagdverbände, one of the more notable being Adrian von Folkersam who had won the Knight’s Cross for his leadership as a Leutnant of the daring behind-the-lines mission to seize the Russian oil refineries at Maykop in the Kuban steppes in August 1942. The debonair von Folkersam, who was very active in persuading Brandenburgers to transfer to the SS-Jagdverbände, can be seen with Skorzeny in many of the photographs taken during the occupation of Budapest.

After several months of reorganization, during which time the majority of the division’s personnel fought in the Balkans, Panzergrenadier Division Brandenburg went into action on the Eastern Front in January 1945 as part of the Großdeutschland Division. The division received the “Brandenburg” cuff title After bitter fighting and heavy losses, the division was moved to the Sudetenland on April 29 1945 where it fought several fierce defensive and rearguard actions.

After Germany surrendered, the surviving Brandenburgers fought their way to the Western sector. It was good that they did: of more than 2000 Brandenburgers taken prisoner by the Soviets between 1941 and 1945, none is recorded has having made it home afterwards.

Source: WAF

Posted by: dragos03 October 22, 2006 07:07 pm
The above article is full of mistakes about the operations of the Brandemburgers in Romania.

Posted by: Alexei2102 October 22, 2006 07:12 pm
QUOTE (dragos03 @ October 22, 2006 07:07 pm)
The above article is full of mistakes about the operations of the Brandemburgers in Romania.

I am open to any debate/discussion regarding this topic. But, in order to accept the fact that there are any mistakes in this article, I would like to know the following:

1. What are the mistakes in question.
2. If point 1 is indeed true, what are your counter arguments upon this matter.
3. If these counter arguments are true, what are the sorces for your info, and how can i obtain access to them, in order to form a clear and fair view upon the subject.

Alex


Posted by: dragos03 October 22, 2006 07:18 pm
There is a lot of information about these operations in this topic, especially Sid's contribution. I don't think i have to point the mistakes.

Not to mention that the parts about some kind of "Romanian betrayal" in this operation are pure fantasy and some people might even find them insulting. The German attack on Bucharest is not even mentioned, do i need to say more?

Posted by: Alexei2102 October 22, 2006 07:46 pm
QUOTE (dragos03 @ October 22, 2006 07:18 pm)
There is a lot of information about these operations in this topic, especially Sid's contribution. I don't think i have to point the mistakes.

Not to mention that the parts about some kind of "Romanian betrayal" in this operation are pure fantasy and some people might even find them insulting. The German attack on Bucharest is not even mentioned, do i need to say more?

Hmmmm, looks like I need to find a copy of that Luftwaffe after-action report Sid was talking about.

I will be posting on this thread hopefully soon, after I've gathered some additional information.

Posted by: sid guttridge October 22, 2006 09:10 pm
Hi Alexei,

The article is also inaccurate about events in Budapest in March 1944. (It might also be inaccurate elsewhere, but I haven't checked the rest).

For example, Admiral Horthy was not arrested. He was with Hitler in Austria at the time and was allowed to return to Budapast. Nor were the Honved disarmed. The whole object of the German intervention was to keep the Hungarian Army in arms and in the field. The ReservePanzerLehr Division wasn't to pretend to be in transit on 18 March. It was to invade from Austria early on 19 March.

The author of the article seems to have collected a variety of information but does not seem to understand it properly. This is not necessarily his fault as even published work on the Brandenbergers is often inaccurate, speculative, or pure fiction.

The Brandenbergers are a subject that badly need a good book.

Cheers,

Sid.

Posted by: Alexei2102 March 22, 2007 06:56 pm
Reviving the thread with my latest aquisition:

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Hope you enjoy this very early Brandenburg WP.

Cheers,

Al

PS - could someone please help me with the translation on the engagements section ? This guy was active in Yugoslavia, Russia, Serbia, Kroatia and probably elsewhere. Like 1943 for example - a blank. And 1944 - before and after joining Skorzeny.

Posted by: New Connaught Ranger March 22, 2007 07:19 pm
Hallo Alexei2102, biggrin.gif

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I have seen this picture being offered for a big price on Okazi.ro last year, can you tell me just from looking at the picture, how you can tell one of the is a Brandenburger?

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Posted by: Alexei2102 March 22, 2007 07:37 pm
Hello,

1. The picture is mine, and I am offering it up for sale on okazii.ro.
2. The guy on the left is wearing the second APB in aluminium, so basically he is an ex-member of FIK/FIB (Army paratroopers). The former Heer Paras were incorporated in FJR 1.
3. Besides the former Heer Paras, the only ones who were entitled to wear the Army Para badge were the Brandenburg paras from 15/4 Kompanie and the SS paras from SS 500/600 BTL.

So, basically, as I already mentioned in my sale add, the picture represent a Luftwaffe Para (wearing the LPB in stoff), and a Brandenburger/former FIK/FIB member.

In conclusion - there is a 50 % chance that this one guy is a Brandenburg para.

Cheers,

Al


Posted by: New Connaught Ranger March 22, 2007 09:11 pm
Hallo Alexei2102

thanks for the reply, there is also a 50% chance he is not then a Brandenberger, rolleyes.gif

Kevin in Deva biggrin.gif


Posted by: Alexei2102 March 22, 2007 10:03 pm
QUOTE (New Connaught Ranger @ March 22, 2007 09:11 pm)
Hallo Alexei2102

thanks for the reply, there is also a 50% chance he is not then a Brandenberger, rolleyes.gif

Kevin in Deva biggrin.gif

Hi Kevin,

Yes, you are 100% correct. Chances are:

1. 50 % Brandenburger from 15/4.

2. 50 % FJR 1 - coming from FIK/FIB.

This is why I have clearly defined this posibility in my sale ad on okazii.ro, and here too. Without further evidence, anything is possible in this respect.

Cheers,

Al

Posted by: Alexei2102 August 02, 2007 05:13 pm
Hello gentlemen,

Reviving the thread with another of my Brandenburgers. cool.gif

This guy was a "Sani", and his story is the following: served with 2. Regt. Brandenburg from March to October 1943, with Einheit Kirchner Division Brandenburg until December and then with Abteilung Böckel, Division Brandenburg until September 1944.

This unit became part of SS-Jagdverband Südost in September 1944.The Brandenburg unit Abteilung Böckel served on anti-partisan operations in Croatia and Serbia, including the operation to capture against Tito - Rosselsprung.

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Al

1. Unit page

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Posted by: Alexei2102 August 02, 2007 05:14 pm
2. Training page.

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Posted by: Alexei2102 August 02, 2007 05:15 pm
3. Actions page - please note the fights against Partisans.

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Posted by: Alexei2102 September 09, 2007 09:11 am
Another very, very interesting Wehrpass, to another Brandenburger.

This guy was a Pioniere. Joined the outfit in January 1942. Active in Russia (special ops), and in Jugoslavia (fighting partisans).

So, page 1 - units page. Of special interest is the fact that he was with Einheit Kirchner from start to finish.

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Posted by: Alexei2102 September 09, 2007 09:12 am
Pioniere training, and basic infantryman training.

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Posted by: Alexei2102 September 09, 2007 09:14 am
Actions page - in Russia - "in der auftrag der OKW".

Only God knows what this guy did in Einheit Kirchner tongue.gif

And finally, before joining Skorzeny, he fought partisans in Jugoslavia.

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Posted by: mars April 13, 2008 04:50 pm
QUOTE (Alexei2102 @ June 12, 2006 12:39 pm)
Some info and scans from Ian Westwell's book on Brandenburgers (Spearhead 13):

Einheit Stielau

Known Brandenburgers:

L/Cpl Wilhelm Schmidt
Oberfahnrich Gunther Billing
Cpl Manfred Pernass


And their fate in pictures:

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I must apologise for the quality of pictures, but I am kinda new at using my scanner.

I just find out the unit of Wilhelm Schmidt, Gunther Billing and Manfred Pernass before they joined the KommandoKompanie Panzerbrigade 150. Gunther Billing was from Marinenachrichtendienst, Manfred Pernass was from 3.Kompanie 4 Nachrichten-Ersatzbataillon. and Wilhelm Schmidt was come from 5.Kompanie 23.Luftwaffen-Nachrichtenregiment.
Obviously, none of them were Brandenburgers

Posted by: Alexei2102 April 18, 2008 07:17 am
Excellent news. Could you please point me out to the source ? Might be some more interesting info as well.

Cheers, and thanks for your feedback,

Al

Posted by: mars April 18, 2008 11:17 pm
Michael Schadewitz's "The Meuse First and then Antwerp", this actually made lot of sense, notice all of these three men come from the intellegence branch of Germany army, air force and navy, I guess they got that job because they were good at English language.

Posted by: Alexei2102 June 01, 2008 08:08 pm
Gents,

Another Brandenburger joined my "outfit" today.

Meet Mr. Bokemeyer. Joined the Army in 1942, branch: Panzer Grenadieren.

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Posted by: Alexei2102 June 01, 2008 08:10 pm
After initial training, with Pz-Gren Ers. Btl 413, he was recruited into the Brandenburg Rgt.

Initially, into RGT 4, but soon after, he went to RGT 1, third company, operating against partisans in Greece.

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Posted by: Alexei2102 June 01, 2008 08:12 pm
Qualified as a driver (cat 2 and 3). Trained on Kar 98, MG 34, Pistole 08, stick and egg grenade.

Basic Pz-Gren training.

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Posted by: Alexei2102 June 01, 2008 08:14 pm
From December 1943 to July 1944, he was active fighting against partisans in Greece, Croatia, Dalmatian coast, Albania and Jugoslavia.

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Posted by: Alexei2102 June 01, 2008 08:16 pm
On July first 1944, he went MIA in Jugoslavia. His Wehrpass was closed on July 9, by the company commander.

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