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| Posted by: Dénes April 19, 2004 03:10 pm |
| Is this a typical Rumanian Army soldier's dog-tag? Reportedly, the item was found near Stalingrad:
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| Posted by: mabadesc April 19, 2004 06:07 pm |
| Very interesting, Denes, but I don't think it is a soldier's dog-tag since the identification number is quite short (small). This is just my guess, though...
Have you seen the reverse side of the tag? What does it show? |
| Posted by: RHaught April 19, 2004 07:05 pm |
| Just go to Ebay and take a look. That is where it is posted and have the guy send more pics. |
| Posted by: Florin April 25, 2004 08:25 pm |
| Denes,
My avatar in this forum is the typical Romanian dog-tag. I have 3 from my grandfather, so I just made a photo to the best preserved and I sent the file to Dragos. If my statement could be wrong for the whole Romanian army, at least this brown bakelite dog-tag was the dog-tag of the Romanian mountain units. You, the soldier, were supposed to scratch on the back of the bakelite tag your number, maybe also the name and unit. This means the Germans and the Americans, who already had printed on the back of their tags their ID by punching printing machines, were better organized. |
| Posted by: Victor April 26, 2004 12:37 pm |
| There were also oval shapes. On it was written the ID, the regiment and the contingent. |
| Posted by: Dénes April 26, 2004 03:35 pm |
Here is another Rumanian Army dog-tag, reportedly found nearby Stalingrad:
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| Posted by: dragos April 26, 2004 05:23 pm |
| This dog-tag belongs to a military of the 91st Infantry Regiment Alba Iulia-Regele Ferdinand I, part of the 20th Infantry Division. |
| Posted by: Carol I July 03, 2004 04:24 pm |
Romanian Navy dog-tag It belonged to Lt. mec. Constantin Dimancea who was aboard the destroyer Mărăşeşti in 1941. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR July 06, 2004 01:31 pm |
| I beleive that the round aluminum tags that have the name "Romania" on them were used as Regimental equipment identification tags. The Brown Bakelite tag was issued during the 1930's King Carol period. In the center of the cross is the King Carol cipher. Soldiers still wearing this tag after 1941 scraped off the cipher in the middle and de-identiified the Monarch. Different tags were issued after 1941. Aluminum crosses as well as German style dog tags were issued. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR July 08, 2004 06:09 am |
Examples of different identification tags. Row 1 : #1 Bakelite plastic. Circa 1930's period. Worn into WW2. Soldiers Unit, ID number, year of issue or recruitment and sometimes name is scratched on the bake. Found with King Carol 2 Cipher and King Michael Cipher (I think perhaps issued 1930 and not WW2 period). #2 Silver King Carol Coin. Private Issue ? WW1 period. Back of coin sanded smooth and stamped "Colonel Tetrat T., Reg.38 Art." #3 Brass Equipment Identification Tag WW1 period. "A.R.S. ARM. MATERIAL DE ARTILERIE" Stamped number "65". Row 2 : #1 Aluminum Dog Tag "COMP. 10, regim.74 inf." #2 Aluminum Dog Tag "Escd 3, Rgt 4 Ros, 69" #3 Aluminum Dog Tag "Escd 1, Rgt 4 Ros, 13" Row 3 : #1 Aluminum Equipment Tag. "ROMANIA "Bat 1 - 4 Van. #2 Aluminum Dog Tag "C8, Rgt 10 Art, 15507" #3 Aluminum Dog Tag "Spit Milit, R.E. 37" Row 4 : #1 Gray steel. German Style circa 1944. Bat. 106 V.M., Slt. Rez. Jonescu Joan |
| Posted by: Florin July 09, 2004 07:38 pm | ||
This one (the uppermost left image of your collection) is better shown in my avatar, because for photo I put it in direct sunlight, with the light making an angle for increased contrast, to show details. |
| Posted by: Carol I October 15, 2004 07:36 pm |
Is this a dog-tag or an equipment tag? (from http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2276082589) |
| Posted by: dragos October 15, 2004 07:49 pm |
| It is a dog-tag. The soldier is contingent 1934, and has the matriculation number 1690. I presume that CR comes from Centru Recrutare (recruitment centre), but I can't figure out the locality from TR MICA |
| Posted by: Victor October 15, 2004 08:48 pm |
| Maybe its a region: Tarnava Mica, but I am not sure if that wasn't ceded to Hungary in 1940. |
| Posted by: Dénes October 25, 2004 04:07 pm |
Yet another Rumanian soldier's dog tag, found in Russia, currently offered for sale on eBay: Possibly, there is a bullet hole in the centre of the tag... Gen. Dénes P.S. I am wondering what these grave diggers do with the human remains they find... |
| Posted by: Carol I November 04, 2004 09:46 pm |
And another one, also from eBay. |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR November 07, 2004 07:41 pm |
| I have noticed that all of these German style Romanian dog tags being dug up at Stalingrad are all together. Both halves complete. Most of the German ones found at the diggings are only half pieces. It is apparent that when they find these tags, there are bodies attached to them. The perferation holes in the middle of the tag is so that one could bend the tag and seperate the two halves leaving one usually imbedded in a dead soldiers mouth for identification. The other piece to return home for identification and verification of the dead. A practiced used by the Germans and the US during WW2 but I do not see that this practiced was used by the Romanian military as all these dog tags are dug up completly in tack. |
| Posted by: Victor November 08, 2004 12:09 pm |
| Probably because there was no one to do this left around. There were many cases of encirclements, attacks and counterattacks in the Stalingrad area. Soldiers could have easily been killed, either after being taken POWs by Soviets (wounded were shot, as they could not march; soldiers that lagged behind teh POW columns were also shot) or simply killed during a failed counterattack and freindly forces had to retreat. |
| Posted by: RHaught November 13, 2004 12:43 pm | ||
You are correct, the same seller is always offering them. I also too wondered if he has been taking them off of remains and not informing the authorities. |
| Posted by: Florin November 15, 2004 05:26 am | ||
On my behalf, I am wandering that there is still something remained to be looted. Most cemeteries with Axis soldiers were vandalized in the immediate aftermath of the war. The crosses were used as wood for fire. You know, in Russia is cold a half of year. |
| Posted by: Dénes December 06, 2004 05:11 pm |
A cross-shaped dog tag (on eBay): Col. Dénes |
| Posted by: Carol I February 01, 2005 12:36 am | ||
Awards of Cpt. Constantin Dimancea (from La Galerie Numismatique) |
| Posted by: Florin February 04, 2005 03:58 am | ||
A better image, than that shown in your group photo (upper left corner), is in the attachment (which is a personal photo). |
| Posted by: Carol I October 29, 2006 06:43 pm |
| http://cgi.ebay.com/Romania-kingdom-ww1-beautiful-Identification-Tag-Rare_W0QQitemZ230044394649QQihZ013QQcategoryZ135QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (from eBay) |
| Posted by: mihnea June 10, 2008 05:37 pm |
| Need help with these blank Romanian Dog-Tags as you can see from this picture they are market ROMÂNIA. They are made from aluminum 1mm thick and 33mm in diameter the hole is 2 mm in diameter. http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1010007zd2.jpg Now because they are marked with  and not Î makes me think they are Romanian WWII or modern replicas but because they didn’t hit the market in big numbers makes me think they are authentic. I don’t collect dog tags so I don’t know how they suppose to look but these are similar to the one posted by Regal Uniforma Collector on the first page of this topic. |
| Posted by: Messerschmitt June 10, 2008 06:06 pm |
| Hi mihnea, As far as i can guess ( only guess!) those dogtags were casted from a metal, i`m not sure if it`s alluminium but i have a lot of coins from ww2 era from the same material. After the blanks were produced they were introduced in a machinery that stamped( a.k.a. engraved) them with a series of tetters and noumbers. I`we seen simmilar dogtatgs stamped and unstamped and i think they are original, but kinda useless  |
| Posted by: mihnea June 12, 2008 10:26 am |
| It's impossible to cast such small items from aluminum with this precision; Romanian WWII era coins were not made from aluminum but a alloy they oxidized to a dark blue color. These dog tags are stamped from sheets of aluminum like coins. Based on your thinking unissued WWII boots are "kinda useless".  Any more relevant opinions on this subject? A better picture: http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx9YedJ |
| Posted by: Messerschmitt June 12, 2008 11:21 am |
Well, you can`t reenact with them  |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR May 01, 2010 01:29 am |
| Is it possible to make identifications from the dog tags being found in Russia ? Are these records available for research ? I recently aquired a dog tag from Russia. This tag was very interesting as it also included the soldiers name. I wonder if this soldier made it out alive and back to Romania ? Infantry Regiment 29, enlisted 1937, ID number 2483, Soldier Ion Manole. http://img535.imageshack.us/i/bqiy5qwb2kkgrhqyokjqeuu.jpg/ |
| Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR May 01, 2010 02:37 pm |
| reverse side http://img404.imageshack.us/i/bqiy7qb2kkgrhqmokikeui2.jpg/ |
| Posted by: DAVMAX August 11, 2010 12:26 pm |
| Hello all of you, I've just discovered your interesting website. I've got a dogtag which has the shape of a cross, can somebody tell me if it's a WW1 or WW2 one? It's made of aluminium, and we can read HM on the top of it, Marina-Militar in the middle, and 155 at the bottom. Is it from the Marine? I'm looking for other WW1 & WW2 Romanian dogtags. I'm also looking for pix of Romanian soldiers wearing their dogtags, taken during either WW. I'm ready to buy that kind of stuff, so please let me know if you happen to have one of this. I'm French and I live in France. Thanks to all of you for the help. |