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> Medal bar with Order of Michael the Brave, help please,Who was he?
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Posted: October 28, 2008 07:51 pm
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I got very interesting unusual medal bar with Order of Michael the Brave,Order of St. Vladimir, Order of Virtuti Militari & more.
Is it possible to identify who was the Person?
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Posted: October 29, 2008 07:52 pm
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Hallo gor, :D

I believe the French Legion de Honour dates this bar to WW1 period

The last Order, on the bar is a Russian one, and is a neck order,

why its hanging on a bar I do not know.

Also the mini ribbon which some profess to be for the

1877 Crossing of the Danube Cross being a Romanian award

I cannot under stand why it would be tacked onto a Russian ribbon.

Why the owner has not got the original full size Cross, with "Tradite" bar is also strange.

I say with the "Traditie" bar because these were awarded to the sons of officers who

themselves are officers, its highly unlikely the owner of this bar was in service for

the original 1877 award of the Danube Cross, but may have got one in connection

with the 1913 Balkan Campaign? if so where is the Crossing of the Danube Medal??

Hopefully there is a list of Romanians who were awarded the

Polish Cross of Military Virtue, this is the first I have seen without a number on the

rear arms of the cross and hopefully may help to date the period its from.

This bar raises more questions than answers.

Kevin in Deva :D
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Posted: October 31, 2008 03:52 pm
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QUOTE (New Connaught Ranger @ October 29, 2008 07:52 pm)
Hallo gor, :D

I believe the French Legion de Honour dates this bar to WW1 period

The last Order, on the bar is a Russian one, and is a neck order,

why its hanging on a bar I do not know.

Also the mini ribbon which some profess to be for the

1877 Crossing of the Danube Cross being a Romanian award

I cannot under stand why it would be tacked onto a Russian ribbon.

Why the owner has not got the original full size Cross, with "Tradite" bar is also strange.

I say with the "Traditie" bar because these were awarded to the sons of officers who

themselves are officers, its highly unlikely the owner of this bar was in service for

the original 1877 award of the Danube Cross, but may have got one in connection

with the 1913 Balkan Campaign? if so where is the Crossing of the Danube Medal??

Hopefully there is a list of Romanians who were awarded the

Polish Cross of Military Virtue, this is the first I have seen without a number on the

rear arms of the cross and hopefully may help to date the period its from.

This bar raises more questions than answers.

Kevin in Deva :D

Hallo,
Order of St. Vladimir is not neck class, it's usual 4th Class for military merits. :) People who had been awarded with the St.Vladimir Order 4th Class for military merits bore it with a special fold on the ribbon - "with a bow".
Polish ORDER OF VIRTUTI MILITARI 5th Class doesn't have a number (and made from real silver,not silver plated), becouse it was used for awardind foreigners. You can see crosses like this on site of Dr. Wesolowski http://home.golden.net/~medals/VirtutiMilitariGuide.html .
But,is it possible to find name of hero? :(

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Posted: October 31, 2008 06:43 pm
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Thank you for your reply to my post, :D

I still find it odd that this medal bar is arranged the way it is, one would expect to see

many lower awards such as Romanian Military Service Medals,

or Commemorative Medals.

I do not like the way the ribbons for the medals are arranged, the ribbon of the Order

of Michael the Brave, in particular looks to be very messily fixed, yet the ribbon for

the French Order is very professionally done, even down to the detail of tiny

stitches in red thread, where as the others have been done in black thread.

The Polish M.V. award to my eye looks like (5-2) Pre-War type jeweler's copy marked IK. looking at the style of fixing the Cross to the ring.

I have seen many bars bearing foreign awards and they have all be constructed in a

very tidy manner, with regards the ribbons being uniform, and for the most part the

medals all hanging at a similar level.

The more I look at this, the more I feel its been put together, and if so there is no

way to trace an owner, I hope I am wrong.

I am not sure if there is a list somewhere in Romania with all the officers and all

their awards similar to the German system.

Kevin in Deva. :D

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Posted: November 02, 2008 05:30 pm
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NCR, I agree with your obsevations, however I see that all the medals are from the WW1 period. The mount, stitching and soiling also show age and uniformity so I think that this bar was not recently put together. Perhaps a veteran in the 1930's may have put this together and he excluded all his service medals. Judging by all the foreign orders, this person would of had a 12-15 piece order bar. Perhaps rank of Colonel or General. One heavy bar. Perhaps he excluded the common medals and simplified his bar for whatever veterans function or group he belonged to. It is too bad that the bar was downsized. Makes it impossible to identify the owner.
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