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Posted: July 01, 2013 08:45 am
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Posted: July 01, 2013 12:51 pm
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Petre,
Trust me, your Google is just as good as my (and anyone else's) Google.

The request was for photos of THIS particular Ju 88, not just any Ju 88.

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Posted: July 02, 2013 07:58 pm
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Guys, thanks one and all for the replies. They were all appreciated.

Denes, I've looked at NARA and the air museum at Dayton, nothing. Photos with the US markings would be in Egypt and later. You don't mention about the interogation report.

antoni, thanks, I sent you a PM.


Petre, The second batch of photo links, the vintage b&w ones, are truely wonderful photos. That is exactly the type of vintage photo I would have liked of the specific Ju88, but actually on Cyprus. They were interesting to see anyway and thanks for showing them.

Cantacuzino, again that is a very good article which I didn't know about, that shows its American ownership and later. Wonderful photos again, I may try and find a copy of that magazine edition.

It appears there is lots of stuff and photos on this Ju88 from the time it was transported to Egypt through to its life in the USA, but so far no photos with it actually on Limassol or Nicosia in Cyprus, which I need to find and will continue looking for. Here is a shot of it at Heliopolis with the British markings, as it would have been flown out from Cyprus, before the US markings were later applied. This is from the Phil Butler book, War Prizes. Its obviously newly arrived judging by the attention it is receiving from all the RAF guys.




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Posted: July 04, 2013 06:21 am
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antoni. The article was superb, fantastic. I really enjoyed reading it, and learned much more about this ju88. Many thanks for sending it to me. I appreciate how much research went into writing something like that as I've done a few articles in UK aviation magazines. Incidentally, where it mentions "the British wing commander who was taught to fly the plane", my records show him to be a W/C Wineiton.

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Posted: July 04, 2013 07:35 am
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The only airplane that was owned officially by 4 (four) governments during World War II.

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Posted: July 04, 2013 08:16 am
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QUOTE (Florin @ July 04, 2013 07:35 am)
The only airplane that was owned officially by 4 (four) governments during World War II.

I don't know about that... There are Romanian aircraft that were "owned" by at least three or four different "governments" without even leaving the country. Antonescu alone had three governments. wink.gif

If you mean that it belonged to 4 different countries... this is not the only case. Some other planes went through even more hands. Hint: Google "early Israeli Air Force"... Some of their planes took a very circuitous route.

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Posted: July 04, 2013 08:22 am
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QUOTE (beau227 @ July 02, 2013 07:58 pm)
Here is a shot of it at Heliopolis with the British markings, as it would have been flown out from Cyprus, before the US markings were later applied. This is from the Phil Butler book, War Prizes. Its obviously newly arrived judging by the attention it is receiving from all the RAF guys.




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Beau227,
In the link provided by Cantacuzion for the thread on Cartula forum, I posted a scan from Phil Butler's book "War Prizes" which also includes more of the story of the plane. Here it is again:

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This is also the source I quoted in the post above In which I described the route taken by the plane to get to the US. It is a great book.

There is a lot of interesting detail in that photo.

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Posted: July 04, 2013 08:53 am
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Radub, sorry, I missed that link as it was on a different page. Yes, it is a great book. He published a second one called War Prizes-The Album. Haven't got that though.
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Posted: July 04, 2013 09:52 pm
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The second book is just a photo album with more photos of the planes featured in the first book. It is thinner and soft-cover.
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Posted: July 05, 2013 05:34 pm
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It is a possibility...
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Posted: July 08, 2013 12:08 am
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QUOTE (Radub @ July 04, 2013 03:16 am)
QUOTE (Florin @ July 04, 2013 07:35 am)
The only airplane that was owned officially by 4 (four) governments during World War II.

I don't know about that... There are Romanian aircraft that were "owned" by at least three or four different "governments" without even leaving the country. Antonescu alone had three governments. wink.gif

If you mean that it belonged to 4 different countries... this is not the only case. Some other planes went through even more hands. Hint: Google "early Israeli Air Force"... Some of their planes took a very circuitous route.

Radu

Come on, Radu...

OK, if it was not obvious, the 4 governments were:
- German
- Romanian
- British
- American
I should have written:
The only airplane officially owned by 4 (four) countries during World War II.

Now, returning to my original:
The only airplane that was owned officially by 4 (four) governments during World War II.
What has this to do with the Israeli Air Force ?
If we forget "during World War II", we may find also other examples with relics that ended being used in South America, Africa or Asia.

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What I meant was that it was not the "only" plane used by a number of nations.
I only mentioned the Israeli Air Force because they had some planes that went through a great number of "hands" before they got them. It is not that unusual. Also google "ATAIU SEA" and "Whatson's whizzers". Planes were captured and the allies swapped them a lot.
Incidentally, the book "War Prizes" by Phil Butler that was mentioned a few times already in this topic is really worth getting. You will see that a lof of captured aircraft took really convoluted routes and ended up in the most unexpected places. Certainly there are planes in that book that had more than 4 "owners".
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Posted: July 08, 2013 02:32 pm
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Messerschmitt Bf 109E W Nr 1304 was 'owned' by four countries:

Germany
France 22nd Nov 1939 - 3rd may 1940
Britain 3rd May 1940 flown to Sealand 28th Jan 1942 to be shipped to USA
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Posted: July 09, 2013 01:37 am
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QUOTE (antoni @ July 08, 2013 09:32 am)
Messerschmitt Bf 109E W Nr 1304 was 'owned' by four countries:

Germany
France 22nd Nov 1939 - 3rd may 1940
Britain 3rd May 1940 flown to Sealand 28th Jan 1942 to be shipped to USA

Well, Antoni... Thank you.
This is a real challenge to my statement.

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