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Alexei2102	Posted: September 12, 2008 07:13 pm
General de divizie Group: Members Posts: 1352 Member No.: 888 Joined: April 24, 2006	Gents, FYI, some new snippets from my collection dedicated to ARR. 1. A smarty looking ARR pilot, wearing the German Pilot badge, in stoff, padded version.

Alexei2102	Posted: September 12, 2008 07:15 pm
General de divizie Group: Members Posts: 1352 Member No.: 888 Joined: April 24, 2006	Next, two pics showing ARR airmen, decorated with Soviet awards, quite interesting...

Alexei2102	Posted: September 12, 2008 07:17 pm
General de divizie Group: Members Posts: 1352 Member No.: 888 Joined: April 24, 2006	And lastly, some Romanian Stukas on an airfield.. Cheers, Al

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Posted: September 12, 2008 09:06 pm

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QUOTE (Alexei2102 @ September 13, 2008 01:15 am)

Next, two pics showing ARR airmen, decorated with Soviet awards, quite interesting...

They are Adj. av. Gheorghe Grecu and Adj. stag. av. Pavel Vieru, both of Esc. 66 van., Gr. 2 van.

They sport the Soviet Red Banner medal, which they received for shooting down - acting on Soviet order - one of their own, namely an ARR Hs 129B, flown by Adj. av. Dumitru Marinescu, who tried to defect to the Germans on 9 Febr. 1945.

I published a photo of these two airmen, along with the story, in my book on Rumanian aces, published by Osprey, p. 64.

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Posted: September 13, 2008 11:53 am

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QUOTE (Dénes @ September 12, 2008 11:06 pm)

Oo ! I supose these two airmen will have a brilliant future after the end of the war ?! A kind of "elemente sanatoase" caracterisation ...

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Posted: May 23, 2014 06:48 am

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QUOTE (Dénes @ September 12, 2008 09:06 pm)

They are Adj. av. Gheorghe Grecu and Adj. stag. av. Pavel Vieru, both of Esc. 66 van., Gr. 2 van.
They sport the Soviet Red Banner medal, which they received for shooting down - acting on Soviet order - one of their own, namely an ARR Hs 129B, flown by Adj. av. Dumitru Marinescu, who tried to defect to the Germans on 9 Febr. 1945.

Telegram from R.I.Malinovsky sent to I.V.Stalin :
«I ask Your permission to award with the Order of the Red Banner (Krasnoe Znamia) the romanian fighter pilots p.o. Grecu Gheorge and p.o. Vieru Pavel, who shot down on orders of the Soviet command in the area of Debrecen, Feb.10, the Hs -129 plane №214, in which attempted to fly to Germany prominent leaders of the fascist and legionary clandestine movement in Romania ... »

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Posted: September 10, 2014 06:43 pm

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Source : Book of Vadim Udylov - The Counterspy's notes

The two passengers were :
- major (Abwehr) Andreas Shmidt (a.k.a. Titze, Moldovan)
- Stoicănescu, naţionalist legionaire, number two in Romania

Radiograme of agent Gunner, in Romania
To RSHA, Wiena :

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«Titze» şi Stoicănescu zboară azi 9 feb la 5.00 către Dvs de la Braşov, cu un avion militar românesc « Heinkel-129» № 214-С. Sunt mascaţi ca militari români. «Titze» în documente este Bârsan, Stoicănescu este Rugan(?). Din cauza vremii rele, posibilă escală la Miskolc.
Rog transmiteţi la Radio «Donau» şi staţiile terestre că indicativul avionului va fi UА-2; «duminică» — înseamnă coborâre la Bratislava, «marţi» — la WienerNeustadt. Trecerea frontului în raionul de dislocare al A.4 rom. Semnalele pentru antiaeriană : două rachete roşii şi două balansări pe aripi…

The flay was very fast betrayed by a double-agent… and 2.Ukrainean Front Command gave an order to get them down…
On 14 feb. 1945 a message was sent by radio from Bukarest to Wiena:

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Avionul cu «Moldovan» (Shmidt) şi Stoicănescu lovit de ruşi. Ambii răniţi : fracturi şi arsuri. Se află în spitalul militar românesc de la Мiskolc. S-au dat drept autorităţi militare activând de partea legionarilor, care încearcă să fugă în Germania. Pilotul a reuşit să se ascundă.
Ministrul de război Negulescu, după ce a aflat de întâmplare, a împuternicit un reprezentant să zboare urgent la Miskolc, să organizeze dispariţia lui « Moldovan» şi Stoicănescu din spital, sa pregăteasca acte fictive de deces şi înhumare. Documentele se aduc apoi la Bucureşti. Acestea le face pentru a ascunde participarea persoanelor din partea autorităţilor militare româneşti la organizarea zborului».

Soon, the victims were moved to sov. hospital under carefully survey.

This post has been edited by Petre on September 10, 2014 06:53 pm

Dénes	Posted: September 11, 2014 05:52 am
Admin Group: Admin Posts: 4368 Member No.: 4 Joined: June 17, 2003	Very interesting details. Thanks, Petre. Gen. Dénes

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QUOTE (Petre @ September 10, 2014 06:43 pm)

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The flay was very fast betrayed by a double-agent… and 2.Ukrainean Front Command gave an order to get them down…
On 14 feb. 1945 a message was sent by radio from Bukarest to Wiena:

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Soon, the victims were moved to sov. hospital under carefully survey.

Petre, do you know what happened to them afterwards?

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Posted: September 12, 2014 10:23 am

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Nothing very clear about their fate.
Source - NET:

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… călătoria lui C. Stoicănescu si Andreas Schmidt la Viena. Dar avionul lor a fost interceptat de aviatia de vânătoare si doborât. Ei au fost capturati din avionul arzând cu răni grele. Ei au fost transportati la comandamentul sovietic, unde au fost supusi unui interogatoriu feroce, până ce serviciile rusesti au aflat adevărul. Asa că planul conceput de Stoicănescu a fost descoperit si au început arestările celor implicati in el. In primul rând au căzut Generalul Avramescu cu întreaga lui familie, apoi o serie de ofiteri superiori din jurul lui.
S-au înăsprit măsurile de supraveghere ale trupelor românesti, care operau în Ungaria. Stoicănescu si Schmidt au fost transportati într-un lagăr din Rusia unde au murit.
Tot ca urmare a acestei descoperiri, Moscova a pregătit eliminarea generalului Rădescu de la putere în 6 martie 1945 si înlocuirea lui cu Petru Groza.

From the book, questioning Schmidt, he declared to "Smersh" a lot of things… he pointed for Avramescu, Dragomir, Aldea, Rădescu, Negulescu, Penescu, Stănescu, Brătianu, Maniu…

… a letter from the fugitive pilot Marinescu. That letter stated that the time he was in the romanian hospital, Marinescu heard that they had been felled at russians’ order, claiming they are germans. This was a reason for Marinescu to run, before Shmidt and Stoicănescu be sent to russian Debrecen mil hospital.

About Marinescu, nothing found. It is possible, latter he was arested by romanians.

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Posted: September 13, 2014 05:41 am

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QUOTE (Petre @ September 12, 2014 04:23 pm)

About Marinescu, nothing found. It is possible, latter he was arested by romanians.

Adj. av. Dumitru Marinescu, a well known Rumanian 'asaltist', also ended up in Soviet prison for 10 (?) years, then upon return to Rumania, he was imprisoned there, too, again for about 10 years. He eventually survived both ordeals.

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Petre	Posted: September 13, 2014 08:50 am
Locotenent colonel Group: Members Posts: 894 Member No.: 2434 Joined: March 24, 2009	http://www.7-zile.com/2012/09/20/incredibil/ http://www.historia.ro/exclusiv_web/genera...or-victima-nkvd http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Schmidt This post has been edited by Petre on September 13, 2014 08:59 am

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QUOTE (Petre @ September 13, 2014 08:50 am)

http://www.7-zile.com/2012/09/20/incredibil/

http://www.historia.ro/exclusiv_web/genera...or-victima-nkvd

http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Schmidt

Apparently, all this was either national-socialist (legionary) - coordinated by the Romanian National Government in Wienna - or Soviet/communist propaganda, because both interests coincided in this episode, for the first to boost their propaganda after the general's disparition, and for the others to justify it. Take a look here for more facts (unfortunalely only in Romanian): http://www.historia.ro/exclusiv_web/genera...-dr-petru-groza

Cantacuzino	Posted: September 16, 2014 11:51 am
Host Group: Hosts Posts: 2328 Member No.: 144 Joined: November 17, 2003	Anyone knows how the two passengers were carried in the sleek fuselage of Hs 129 plane? One is possible in the cockpit ( as some romanian and germans pilots saved their comrades). But the second ? The route from Brasov to Wiener Neustadt is long and hard without a minimum comfort

Dénes	Posted: September 16, 2014 01:04 pm
Admin Group: Admin Posts: 4368 Member No.: 4 Joined: June 17, 2003	One person could climb into the fuselage through the radio hatch, for sure. This is how one of the top 'asaltisti', T. Zabava, travelled back to the front line when the Hs 129 crashed, killing both men. Possibly, there was room in the fuselage for another person as well, but I cannot confirm. Gen. Dénes This post has been edited by Dénes on September 16, 2014 01:06 pm

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