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Posted by: New Governor Of Alaska November 17, 2007 05:16 pm

Hitler's Jewish Soldiers: The Untold Story of Nazi Racial Laws and Men of Jewish Descent in the German Military
http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Jewish-Soldiers-Descent-Military/dp/0700611789

Side and front photographs of "half-Jew" Anton Mayer.

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Military service book of "half-Jew" Hermann Aub

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"Half-Jew" Commander Paul Ascher, Admiral Lütjens's first staff officer on the battleship Bismarck; Ascher received Hitler's Deutschblütigkeitserklärung. (Military awards: EKI, EKII, and War Service Cross Second Class.)

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"Half-Jew" Horst Geitner was awarded both the Iron Cross Second Class and the Silver Wound Badge.

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righit.html

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Posted by: New Connaught Ranger November 17, 2007 10:26 pm

Not very surprising!! Quite a few of the German Top Brass and Nazi Party activists had Jewish blood in their veins, and took elaborate steps to pass the strict Nazi "Racial Purity" tests that were established to check out a family history going back 6 generations.

Some went to elaborate lengths, with bribery to hide it and have official documents substituted, to thwart checks on family backgrounds,(it is even reputed that Hitlers Great-Grandfather on his Mothers side (?) Schiklelgrübber (sp?) was Jewish).

And it has been suggested that Herman Göring might well have a very close family connection to "The Ritter von Epenstein" a close "family friend" of Görings mother.

There had also been a strong tradition of Jewish men serving in the Prussian and German Military prior to Adolf taking power, many served with Bravery and distinction inWW1, the Officer who recommend hitler for the Iron Cross First Class was a Captain of the Jewish faith!!

Posted by: mabadesc November 18, 2007 04:39 am

There was also a jewish Luftwaffe general.
His name escapes me right now, as does the name of the book or article mentioning this fact.
If I stumble upon the reference source, I'll post more details.

Posted by: C-2 November 18, 2007 04:18 pm

Von MAnstain ,aslo had some jewish blood.

Posted by: New Governor Of Alaska November 18, 2007 10:32 pm

QUOTE (C-2 @ November 18, 2007 04:18 pm)

Von MAnstain ,aslo had some jewish blood.

He even had real Jewish name - Von Manstein.
Take a look at his huge nose -

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C-2, how about Joseph Goebbels?

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Goebbels sure doesn't look like a real Aryan from the Nazi propaganda posters.....

Posted by: mabadesc November 19, 2007 04:27 am

NGOA wrote:

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He even had real Jewish name - Von Manstein.
Take a look at his huge nose -

What solid proof you offer - that he had a "huge nose".

NGOA, I think your gross generalization statement pretty much blows away the last (few as they were) shreds of credibility you previously had on this forum.

It also throws some light on the motives behind your agenda and on the opinions you expressed in your other world politics posts on the forum.

I would like to ask the forum administrators not to delete NGOA's previous post. Though it is clearly offensive and blatantly stereotypical, it is important, I think, for other members to know about it and to keep it in mind when reading NGOA's other messages.

By the way, NGOA, I am neither jewish, nor a fan of Israel. In fact, I disagree with many of Israel's political actions, and I also disagree with much of the views adopted by the jewish community in America.
However, I find your "huge nose" comment offensive and, I'm afraid, quite revealing of your views. Quite sad, really...

Posted by: Iamandi November 19, 2007 10:38 am

QUOTE (mabadesc @ November 18, 2007 04:39 am)

There was also a jewish Luftwaffe general.
His name escapes me right now, as does the name of the book or article mentioning this fact.
If I stumble upon the reference source, I'll post more details.

Mabadesc, the general is Milch. This fact, and his friend & protector Goering are one of the parts of the plot of my first alternative history book (i hope to end it... in the end

). In my book, Milch is the head of a secret conspiracy who try to kill Moelders in Nov. 1941. Werner "Vati" Moelders don't die and...

Iama

Posted by: guina November 19, 2007 11:10 am

"Der Sturmer"would be a more apropriate place for some of the opinions expresed here.

Posted by: dead-cat November 19, 2007 11:32 am

contrary to what some people might have come to believe, the "suffixes" "-baum", "-stein" are not necessarily a sign of being jewish.

Posted by: mabadesc November 19, 2007 05:31 pm

Hi Iamandi,

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Mabadesc, the general is Milch.

I didn't know about Milch - that's very interesting, indeed.

I found the article I was referring to. It's from the September 2007 issue of "World War II" magazine. The name of the article is "The Jewish General Behind the Luftwaffe", written by Stephen Budiansky.

The name of the general is Helmut Wilberg. According to the article, Wilberg was the master planner behind the development of the Luftwaffe in the 1930's.
A veteran of the Great War, Wilberg was named Senior Air Officer in 1919.

In 1935, he completed a comprehensive warfare manual for the role of air forces during war.
In 1936, Goring created "Special Staff W" (led by Wilberg), which led Germany's air force intervention in the Spanish Civil War.

From the Luftwaffe's intervention in Spain, Wilberg came up with several innovating methods: rapid techniques for spotting and destroying enemy anti-aircraft positions, adopting the "pair" formation, new recognition signals to prevent friendly fire, and optimization of munition loads for specific targets.

According to the article, Goring personally intervened and obtained a certificate signed by Hitler, which "aryanized" Wilberg.

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(Regarding Milch)...This fact, and his friend & protector Goering are one of the parts of the plot of my first alternative history book

I think it's great that you're writing a book. Good luck! Based on what you said about Milch, I see a parallel which may be useful to your book: namely that Goring was the "protector" of both Milch and Wilberg, two Luftwaffe generals who were both of Jewish descent.

Anyway, best of luck with your book. Let us know when it's finished so we can pick up a copy.

Lt. General Wilberg died in November 1941, when his Me 108 crashed.

Posted by: cnflyboy2000 November 20, 2007 02:10 am

QUOTE (mabadesc @ November 19, 2007 09:27 am)

NGOA wrote:

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He even had real Jewish name - Von Manstein.
Take a look at his huge nose -

What solid proof you offer - that he had a "huge nose".

Amen. .... My sentimensts, exactly.,word for word. Well said.

Posted by: REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR December 06, 2007 01:49 am

There were also Jews in the SS. Go figure ? I new one personally back in the 70's living in the USA who had a tatoo SS number. Not a Jewish POW Number. This guy admitted to being part of the SS.

Posted by: New Governor Of Alaska December 07, 2007 12:11 am

QUOTE (REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTOR @ December 06, 2007 01:49 am)

There were also Jews in the SS. Go figure ? I new one personally back in the 70's living in the USA who had a tatoo SS number. Not a Jewish POW Number. This guy admitted to being part of the SS.

That's righ, REGAL UNIFORMA COLECTORt!!!
Here's a quote from the book on page 258:

Some (Jews) ran consentration camps. SS-Obersturmfuhrer Fritz Scherwitz (real name Eleke Sirewiz), a Jew and Nazi Party member, controlled the concentration camp at Lenta outside Riga and was responsible for sending Jews to their deaths. Witnesses claimed that he personally took part in the killing of two hundred Jews in Riga on October 1942 and raped several women. After the war, he worked in a Munich organization that helped Jews recover property..."

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http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righit.html

Interesting...

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Posted by: mateias December 15, 2007 11:15 am

Revenge is really sweet, I found out this by chance.

http://www.allbusiness.com/middle-east/israel/466938-1.html

Israel Won't Extradite Alleged Jewish War Criminal.
Publication: Israel Faxx
Date: Friday, July 8 2005

By DPA

Israel has refused a Polish request for the extradition of SOLOMON MOREL, 87, ALLEGED TO HAVE COMMITTED CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY AS THE HEAD OF A LABOR CAMP HOLDING EHTNIC GERMANS IN POLAND'S SOUTHERN SILESIAN REGION IMMEDIATELY AFTER WORLD WAR II, Poland's Rzeczpospolita daily reported. Poland made its second request to Israel for the Israeli citizens extradition on a CHARGE OF GENOCIDE in April 2004, after an earlier request was refused in 1998.

Justice Minister Andrzej Kalwas said Poland would forward no further extradition requests for Morel to Israel. "Unfortunately I must say that there is no legal chance for this extradition," Kalwas told the Polish PAP news agency. Israel has no extradition treaty with Poland.

Poland's Institute of National Remembrance (IPN) war crimes authority suspects Morel is responsible for the death of some 1,538 ethnic Silesians and Germans held at the Swietochlowice concentration camp between February and November 1945. Morel served as its commander immediately following the defeat of Nazi Germany. SOME OF THE PRISONERS HAD NAZI CONNECTIONS.

Morel's case was brought to light in the 1990s when a U.S. Jewish journalist, John Sack, published a book detailing alleged "revenge killings" by Jews placed in charge of prison camps at the end of the war. Poland's post-war communist government imprisoned some 100,000 Germans in 1945, and at least 15,000 are estimated to have died in captivity.

Eyewitness evidence collected during a lengthy IPN investigation suggested Morel used both psychological and physical torture against the nearly 6,000 inmates at the camp, including beatings and starvation. He is also alleged to have allowed the spread of deadly infectious diseases in the camp. "There is no basis to accuse Morel of the crime of genocide or crimes against the Polish nation. He and his family are survivors of genocide, the obvious victims of genocide committed by the Nazis and their Polish collaborators," reads an official statement from Israel's Justice Ministry.

Morel fled Poland to Israel in 1992 after Polish justice authorities launched a criminal investigation against him. In 1998, Israel refused to honor an earlier extradition request; also claiming it had not been presented with evidence of Morel's alleged involvement in war crimes. According to the Rzeczpospolita report, Israel believed that the camp held 60 inmates and emphasizes Morel's wartime experience as a Polish Jew targeted for death by Nazi Germany. Morel's parents and siblings did not survive.

Israel also alleged the Polish request was made "against a Jewish citizen" after 1989 by "a few Germans" after 1989 "during a period of growing anti-Semitism." Israel's Justice Ministry also underscored the fact that "thousands" of Jewish survivors were killed in Poland in the immediate post-war period and claims that many suspects escaped justice.

Posted by: C-2 December 15, 2007 11:40 am

Well,I can understand that.
It's not exactly an usual war criminal.

Posted by: New Governor Of Alaska January 18, 2008 12:22 am

Did anyone buy that book already?

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righit.html

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Posted by: maiortitulescu October 15, 2008 05:24 pm

QUOTE (New Governor Of Alaska @ November 18, 2007 10:32 pm)

QUOTE (C-2 @ November 18, 2007 04:18 pm)

Von MAnstain ,aslo had some jewish blood.

He even had real Jewish name - Von Manstein.
Take a look at his huge nose -

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C-2, how about Joseph Goebbels?

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Goebbels sure doesn't look like a real Aryan from the Nazi propaganda posters.....

you are right, New Governor Of Alaska, Joseph Goebbels doesn't look like an arian, because he had dark hair(i don't know about his eyes)...but is not jewish, he is 100% german...not all germans are arians, not all of them have blond hair and blue or green eyes....and about the huge nose thing...that is not an argument, i don't know what you are trying to say...in your oppinion all people that have big noses are jewish?...

sorry about my bad english

Posted by: New Connaught Ranger October 15, 2008 05:51 pm

Hallo maiortitulescu

thanks for your comments, but,

"New Governor of Alaska"

has been banned from this Forum since November 2nd 2007

that's nearly a year ago.

Kevin in Deva

Posted by: maiortitulescu October 15, 2008 06:05 pm

i'm sorry, i didn't knew that.... at least i made a point

Posted by: Imperialist October 15, 2008 07:33 pm

QUOTE (maiortitulescu @ October 15, 2008 05:24 pm)

Being an Aryan doesn't mean you have to have blond hair and blue eyes. An Aryan with blond hair and blue eyes is a "Nordic Aryan". An Aryan with dark hair and dark eyes is called a "Mediterranean Aryan". Basically if you're white, you're Aryan, no matter the color of your hair or eyes. Or the size of your nose.

In fact many if not all of the Jews killed by Hitler were white.

Posted by: maiortitulescu October 16, 2008 12:27 pm

white jews?...what are you trying to say Imperialist?...the colour of their skin is white, but i never heard about white jews.

Posted by: Dénes October 16, 2008 01:07 pm

Jewish people have no separate human race, they are all part of the European (white) race. Therefore, for example, saying that anti-Jewish sentiments are racist is nonsense.

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: Imperialist October 16, 2008 04:42 pm

QUOTE (maiortitulescu @ October 16, 2008 12:27 pm)

white jews?...what are you trying to say Imperialist?...the colour of their skin is white, but i never heard about white jews.

I mean to say there is a big difference between nationalism or the "pan-" movements (pan-Germanism, pan-Slavism) and racial-centric movements/theories.

The Nazis, despite their statements about the race, in fact killed and mistreated a lot of whites. Including whites of Judaic religion. Because their movement was about nationalism, pan-Germanism, anti-Judaism and World Power rather than about the white race per se.

WWII was a disaster for the white race, just like WWI, the religious wars of the 17th century etc. A true "racist" wouldn't look with too much appreciation on the decisions taken by the Nazis.