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Posted by: Kuniworth June 24, 2006 10:04 pm
Hello,

I was wondering which romanian units fought with the russians following the events on august 23, 1944. Im interested if anyone can name the corps and armies involved(I don't want single divisions just the corps and armies and where they fought).

Posted by: RHaught June 26, 2006 01:44 pm
Believe the Romanian 4th Army, 1st Army and Mountain Corps fought in the Carpathians.

Posted by: D13-th_Mytzu June 26, 2006 02:27 pm
You mean which romanian units kept fighting against russian units AFTER 23rd august 1944 ?

Posted by: Dénes June 26, 2006 05:36 pm
I think he means 'alongside' ("umar la umar" biggrin.gif ), not 'against'.

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: Victor June 27, 2006 06:27 am
QUOTE (RHaught @ Jun 26 2006, 03:44 PM)
Believe the Romanian 4th Army, 1st Army and Mountain Corps fought in the Carpathians.

During 24- 31 August and then in the Transylvanian campaign, there were numerous corps that were engaged in the fighting. Only two army commands were mobilized, however, the 1st and the 4th. Maybe others can be more specific on the exact corps subordinated to them, because presently I am away from my sources.

From memory, starting in October 1944, the two armies were organized with two corps each: 4th and 7th (the 1st Army) and 2nd and 6th (the 4th Army).

Posted by: RHaught June 27, 2006 09:44 pm
I'm trying to find out the locations of Romanian and German units around Iasi myself. This way I can label photographs after I have taken them. Would also like to know about the area around Roman.

Posted by: Petre May 25, 2010 08:02 am
Found on a Russian web site :
The Romanian troops (4-th and 1-st Army, 4-th Army Corps(?) and the Air Corps) entered under the operational control of The 2-nd Ukrainian Front. The decision for the 4-th Ro.Army was to act together with the 27-th Sov.Army (Gen. Trofimenko), the 1-st Ro.Army, under the leadership of the 53-rd Sov.Army (Gen. Managarov), the 4-th Ro.Corps(?), deployed on the Romanian-Bulgarian border on the Danube with the 75-th Sov.Rifle Corps (Gen. Akimenko) and the Ro. aviation units (113 serviceable planes) entered into the subordination of the 5-th Sov.Air Army.
In the two armies and the separate corps were 20 Romanian divisions. The number of divisions varied between 6-10 thousand people. Almost no tanks. The Artillery were very weak: only two regiments of heavy artillery. In the two armies and corps were 100 howitzers and 480 light and antitank guns. The 1-st. Ro.Army, for example, was completed mostly conscripts (more than 50% with no mil. training), also soldiers of the militia over the age of 45 years.
Therefore, the success of the Romanian army in fighting against Hitler's troops could be achieved only by joint action with the strong and highly experienced Red Army.
The 1-st Ro.Volunteer Division was armed at the level of a Sov.Division. For the formation of two Ro.Volunteer Divisions, USSR donated about 12,000 rifles and carbines, over 5,000 subMG, 1,500 MG, 600 guns and mortars, etc.

Posted by: Montbrun May 25, 2010 02:57 pm
The Infantry units that fought alongside the Soviets were organized using late-war Rumanian organizations with Rumanian and German equipment - the Soviets confiscated all captured Soviet equipment that the Rumanians had been using (ie 4.5cm antitank guns, etc.) in their combat structure. The exception was the Divizia "Tudor Vladimirescu," which had been raised by the Soviets from POW camps. This division was organized as a Guards Rifle Division:

Divizia “Tudor Vladimirescu” – Organized Late 1943, Committed 09/29/44 at Bucharest,
2.Ukrainian Front
--HQ - Staff
--Signals Platoon
--Rifle Regiment x 3
----HQ – Staff
----Sapper Platoon
----Chemical Defense Detachment
----Signals Platoon
----1.Rifle Battalion
------HQ – Staff, Signals Detachment
------Rifle Company
------Rifle Company
------Rifle Company
------MG Company
------Mortar Company
------ATR Platoon
------Antitank Company
----2.Rifle Battalion
------HQ – Staff, Signals Detachment
------Rifle Company
------Rifle Company
------Rifle Company
------MG Company
------Mortar Company
------ATR Platoon
------Antitank Company
----3.Rifle Battalion
------HQ – Staff, Signals Detachment
------Rifle Company
------Rifle Company
------Rifle Company
------MG Company
------Mortar Company
------ATR Platoon
------Antitank Company
----Reconnaissance Company
----SMG Company
----SMG Company
----Mortar Battery
----ATR Company
----Antitank Company
----Artillery Battery
--Artillery Regiment
----HQ – Staff + Support Platoons
----1.Artillery Battalion
----2.Artillery Battalion
----3.Artillery Battalion
--Divisional Units
----Division Reconnaissance Company
----Antitank Battalion (mot.)
----Sapper Battalion – 2 Companies
----Antiaircraft Battalion
----Training Battalion
----Signals Company
----Division Trains

A second Rumanian Volunteer Division was raised - the Divizia "Horia, Closca si Crisan" - but not until April, 1945, too late to see action.

Posted by: Petre May 31, 2010 07:44 pm
The decision of Soviet political and military leadership to subordinate the Ro. armed forces since the night of 6/7 Sep.1944 required significant changes in the strategic concept of The Ro.GHQ on the NW side of the country, being excluded from the mil.operations.
In The 2nd Ukrainian Front, The 1st and 4th Ro. Armies formed Army Groups, together with the Sov. Armies, led by the Sov. commanders.
Although, in this context, the responsibilities of The Ro.GHQ have been severely altered, it continued to be concerned about the ongoing military operations closely, to coordinate the instruction of the new military contingents, supplies, evacuation, the personnel and equipment additions, etc.

The troops of The 27th Sov.Army in conjunction with The 18th Ro.Inf.Div./The 4th Ro.Army on Oct.11, 1944, released the city of Cluj, and the next day went to the line Rodna-Bistrita-Cluj.
On Oct.25, 1944 The 133rd Sov.Inf.Div./The 40th Sov.Army in conjunction with units of The 2nd Ro.Army Corps/The 4th Ro.Army, captured the city of Satu Mare.
In eastern Czechoslovakia, The „Tudor Vladimirescu – Debrecen” Division fought in the componence of The 53rd Sov.Army, on the SW Lucenec and in The Javorina Mountains, then in the bridgehead E Žarnovica, until 20 Mar.1945 when it was retired and then was sent home.

Posted by: Dénes June 01, 2010 05:44 am
Here is the map showing the situation in September 1944 (from my forthcoming book, Magyar Warriors):

user posted image

Gen. Dénes

Posted by: Alexei2102 June 02, 2010 10:05 am
QUOTE (Dénes @ June 01, 2010 05:44 am)
Here is the map showing the situation in September 1944 (from my forthcoming book, Magyar Warriors):

user posted image

Gen. Dénes

Nice - a very useful piece of information.

Al

Posted by: Petre June 08, 2010 03:44 am
Off Topic : I understood someone like the maps
http://www.warmech.ru/easteur_0/Rumin.jpg
http://www.warmech.ru/easteur_0/hunkart1.jpg
http://www.warmech.ru/easteur_0/vengr0.jpg

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