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|Posted by: johnny_bi August 01, 2003 04:04 am|
|There are any monuments raised in the honour of the Romanian soldiers who died in the above mentioned countries during WWII? If yes, who's taking care of these monuments ?|
|Posted by: johnny_bi October 12, 2003 01:33 am|
|It's sad that we have no answer to this question ....|
|Posted by: Victor October 12, 2003 07:12 am|
| I have found only a few, but there are probably more:
Slovakia: Kromeriz, Zvolen (a Romanian cemetery)
Hungary: Budapest, Debrecen, Hajduboszormeny, Oroshaza, Miskolc, Gyor, Megyaszo, Nyiregyhaza, Tiszakecske
Austria: I think there is one monument at Schrick.
|Posted by: johnny_bi October 12, 2003 12:12 pm|
| Thank you for your answer!
I know it is not the thread... What about the Romanian cemeteries in Russia... Are still in place or the cemeteries were "erased"... I saw a picture in "Armata Romana in al doilea Razboi mondial" - Romanian Army in WWII, editura Meridiane a picture about a monument near Odessa... What happened with the monument and with the cemetery???
I saw that in Western Europe you may find German cemeteries, American, British, etc... What is the situation in Russia and Eastern Europe (Romania, Hungary, Poland, etc)?
|Posted by: Victor October 12, 2003 01:46 pm|
|From what I know the Romanian cemeteries in Russia were bulldozered.|
|Posted by: Orok November 17, 2003 04:41 pm|
I would assume the same happened to German and Hungarian cemeteries?
|Posted by: Victor November 17, 2003 08:07 pm|
|Most likely. They were also enemies of the Soviet Union.|
|Posted by: Dénes November 25, 2003 07:57 pm|
Recently, there was a large Hungarian military cemetery established at Rudkino, 20 km near Voronezh, close to the Don River, paid by from the Russian Federation's debt to Hungary. There is a series of commemorative plates in the cemetery, recording the name of 63,000 Hungarian soldiers who fell in the region.
Here is an article (in Hungarian) and a photo: http://www.magyarhirlap.hu/cikk.php?cikk=62174
However, the local Governor prohibited the official opening of the cemetery, citing the adversity of local people to a cemetery commemorating "Fascist" soldiers.
|Posted by: Bernard Miclescu November 25, 2003 11:24 pm|
| And what about the German&Hungarian cimiteries in Romania? I never heard that it exist in Romania cimiteries of the "fascists ennemies". But they discovered the thomb of Shroeder's dad.
|Posted by: Dan Po February 29, 2004 01:20 pm|
| [quote]And what about the German&Hungarian cimiteries in Romania? I never heard that it exist in Romania cimiteries of the "fascists ennemies".[/quote]
Hard to belive that we can find such a "fascist" cemetery in Romania. Even the tombs of ARR pilots who was shuted down by americans around Ploiesti wasnt official "honorated" and they wasn t considerated "heroes" by comunist rullers. So ... we just can say REST IN PEACE for all of them ...
|Posted by: johnny_bi February 29, 2004 05:56 pm|
| [quote]And what about the German&Hungarian cemeteries in Romania? I never heard that it exist in Romania cimiteries of the "fascists ennemies". But they discovered the thomb of Shroeder's dad.[/quote]
In Bistrita there are German and Hungarian soldiers berried in the cemetery (I do not know exactely if they were victims of WWI or WWII, maybe both). There is no official cemetery but there are some soldiers berried... No one tried to remove the traces of those tombs during communism...
|Posted by: petru March 01, 2004 06:50 pm|
|I think at Panciu is a German cemetery from WWI.|
|Posted by: modelmaster March 14, 2004 11:09 am|
| As I remember, before the '80s, in the Oradea cemetery, near the Romanian and Soviet WWII heroe's thombs, there were the German and Hungarian military cemeteries. In this period they were demolished to take place for the extending civil cemetery.
The same happened with the WWI military cemetery, where now there are the thombs of the Romanian Army veterans. A cynic and strange way to make "face-lift" to the history...
|Posted by: mietek March 20, 2004 06:25 pm|
|Poland, North Part, near Tuchola town, there is cementary and monument of soldiers who die there during WW1. They were POW and die from illneses. In the camp were Russians and Romanian soldiers (maybe also some British and Canadian). In the forest I found Romanian buttons made in Bucaresti.|
|Posted by: Victor May 25, 2004 10:31 am|
| Here is a list with some cemeteries in Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia and Austria.
Other places: 4,830
Grand total: 16,729
|Posted by: dragos April 14, 2005 07:58 am|
| Cemetery of Romanian soldiers in Zvolen (source: http://www.zvolen.sk/en/)
|Posted by: dragos03 April 14, 2005 01:19 pm|
| Regarding German graveyards in Romania: every Saxon town or village in Transilvania has a cemetery near the church with monuments with the lists of all the locals who died in both wars in the German, Romanian or Hungarian armies.
There are also many WW1 cemeteries scattered around the country with German and Austro-Hungarian tombs. For example: near the Peles castle there is a graveyard with Romanians, Germans and Austro-Hungarians who died in the area.
|Posted by: mabadesc April 14, 2005 05:56 pm|
I think I know what graveyard you're talking about. It has two WWI-era cannons in front of it, and it's located just in front of a road's steep curve (a turn).
Are all graves there from WWI or from other wars as well?
Also, I didn't know there were any battles around Sinaia during WWI.
What else do you know about that graveyard, Dragos03?
|Posted by: dragos03 April 14, 2005 06:21 pm|
| Yes, that's the one. All the graves are from WW1, i think. Heavy battles were fought in the area, the Germans were trying to break the front towards the Ploiesti area. Fierce fighting took place when Romanian units tried to prevent the enemy from capturing the royal palace, they didn't succed and the frontline was established somewhere south of Sinaia. Eventually, the German attack was held and Romanian units only retreated after the Carpathian line was breached in the Jiu valley and they were in danger of being surrounded. There are other WW1 graveyards all over the Prahova valley, the Caraiman cross is also dedicated to the soldiers who died in the area.
There is also a Turkish military graveyard in Bucharest, Turkish soldiers who died in Romania during WW1 may also be buried there.
I saw some RAF crewmen buried in the Comana monastery, South of Bucharest.
|Posted by: Cristian April 14, 2005 06:34 pm|
|And there is a stone with names of american ww2 pilots. I was there with some american friends and they were surprised to see that stone there(on the left side of the cemetery)|
|Posted by: Danut June 04, 2005 05:58 am|
|I worked a few years ago and I cheked all the monuments and the graveyards in Cluj county. I made pictures and notes almost three months about all this staff. I hade a lot of pepers. Unfortunatelly, a lot of monuments were in the bed conditions.( I remember the graveyards at Muntele Rece (Cold Mountain), where a lot of mountain troups were buried). Maybe today look different. I will be happy if this think happened!|
|Posted by: dragos June 04, 2005 06:04 am|
| Hi Danut,
Can you share with us some of your research?
|Posted by: Danut June 05, 2005 03:54 am|
| Hi Dragos,
Unfortunately all my work is in Romania. One copy is in Cluj at History Museum of Transilvania. But I'm not sure...Was 17-18 years ago, and I don't know if they keep all this documents. I live in US, and is hard for me to chek with somebody at Cluj. You may be sure Dragos, was a lot of work for me. I did this work with enthusiasm, and I don't think somebody before did something in this area. I was unhappy because I saw to many monuments in bed conditions. Maybe today the people take care more like 20 years ago.
|Posted by: Carol I June 18, 2005 11:43 pm|
The Romanian Military Cemetery in Zvolen (Slovakia) has recently been subjected to a 250,000 EUR facelift (http://www.slovakspectator.sk/clanok-19782.html).
Also from the same http://www.slovakspectator.sk/clanok-19782.html, the SNP (Slovak National Uprising) cemetery in Martin seems to be the resting place for some other Romanian soldiers fallen during WWII.
|Posted by: Dénes October 18, 2005 01:16 pm|
Off-topic: this is a perfect example why diacritical (accent) marks are necessary.
Szarföld means Land of Shit.
Szárföld means Land of the Harvested Wheat (where only the wheat's cut-off stems remain).
|Posted by: Zayets October 19, 2005 11:43 am|
|Posted by: dragos03 November 14, 2005 08:39 pm|
| Editura Militara recently published an album, in Romanian and English, with information and pictures of the Romanian monuments and graveyards in the Czech Republic and Slovakia. Even some individual graves are listed.
The PDF can be dowloaded from their site:
|Posted by: Dénes December 08, 2005 03:28 pm|
| Here is a monument erected in memory of the Rumanian soldiers fallen at Biharnagybajom, Hungary, between October 8-15, 1944. It's located nearby a cornfield, on the top of a mass grave, adorned with fresh flowers. [Photo: Taszi - Roncskutatás]
|Posted by: dragos December 08, 2005 09:53 pm|
|Posted by: dragos December 08, 2005 10:01 pm|
| But the colours on the flowers circlet are red, white and green ?!
Shouldn't be Romanian colours?
|Posted by: Dénes December 08, 2005 10:13 pm|
| Why, if Rumanian officials would ever lay flowers on any Hungarian military monuments in Transylvania, would they use the Red-White-Green combination?
I believe the gesture is what actually counts, and the fact that they remember the fallen even 60 years after the events.
|Posted by: Imperialist December 08, 2005 10:31 pm|
|To me it looks pretty abandoned in that field. But the white plaque on the monument looks fresh.|
|Posted by: Dénes December 08, 2005 11:35 pm|
| As I wrote earlier:
There was not much choice for the location of the mass grave, but close to the battlefield, where the soldiers fell.
|Posted by: Imperialist December 08, 2005 11:56 pm|
Yes, I understand. But I meant its aspect. There are weeds out there. It looks "neangrijit". I guess its better than nothing though. No hard feelings.
|Posted by: pitika May 25, 2007 01:59 pm|
|I saw article about at least 4 Military cemeteries where Romanian soldiers are buried in Slovakia. I believe few years ago former Romanian king visited Slovakia and he also visited some places where Romanian soldiers are buried.|
|Posted by: bendis July 29, 2008 12:28 pm|
|In Zvolen (Slovakia) is the biggest military cemetery of romanian soldiers - 10.500.|
|Posted by: Iver August 02, 2008 12:34 pm|
| Monuments and cemeteries of romanian soldiers in Slovakia:
-Central military cemetery of romanian army in Zvolen (Ústredný vojenský cintorín rumunskej armády vo Zvolene) - biggest cemetery of romanian soldiers abroad Romania
-Fallen romanian soldiers memorial in Piešťany (Pamätník padlých rumunských vojakov v Piešťanoch)
-Monument of romanian soldiers in Lučenec (Pomník rumunských vojakov v Lučenci)
-Monument of romanian soldiers in Poníky (Pomník rumunských vojakov na Poníkach)
Romanian soldiers are also burried in:
-Local cemetery in Stará Turá (miestny cintorín v Starej Turej)
-Local cemetery in Trenčianska Teplá (miestny cintorín v Trenčianskej Teplej)
But there are many monuments dedicated not only to soldiers of one nation (most soviet and romanian)
|Posted by: drgeorge December 22, 2008 09:27 pm|
| In Pálháza, Hungary there is a monument dedicated to those Soviet soldiers who died in the actions there in late '44. The red star and stele was originally placed above the mass grave shortly after the conflict, however sometime later (post-reform era?) the memorial was moved to it's present position next to the main street--the mass grave itself now lies under the FOOTBALL FIELD!! Supposedly all warring factions are represented in this 300+ mass grave--German, Hungarian, Romanian, and Soviet--and because of this the possibilities for exhumation and identification are grim. Representative nations either do not care about this, or do not want to concern themselves with the trouble involved in this task, or any number of stupid reasons.
I wonder if during a game the football players think about the heroicism of those souls and their bones resting under the pitch, regardless of nationality!!!!
|Posted by: Cantacuzino May 18, 2009 10:24 pm|
I just visited saturday Zvolen romanian military cemetry. It's a nice position on top of the hill with many trees and green grass.
I made a lot of pictures.
Here are some of them
|Posted by: Cantacuzino May 18, 2009 10:33 pm|
Officers tombs right side
Officers tombs left side
Each stone is for 4 officers (two on each sides)
|Posted by: Cantacuzino May 18, 2009 11:00 pm|
| Soldiers tombs
In each tomb are around 100 soldiers
And some plates with their names. among them some germans (probably POW)
|Posted by: msmaster July 12, 2009 06:56 pm|
| IN HUNGARY , HAJDU-BIHAR MEGYE , KOROSSZAKAL , CEMENTARY
IT WAS BURIED 19 ROMAN , WHO EXECUTED BY HUNGARIAN ARMY IN AUTUMN OF 1944.
ONE OF VICTIMS'S HANDS HAD A TATTO : "MITRU VASILE " , HE WORN IN ROMAN MILITARY UNIFORM